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SOULS DIE

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by wopik, Mar 10, 2006.

  1. standingfirminChrist

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    The word "soul" has various meanings in Scripture. Sometimes it refers to the whole man (Ge 2:7; Le 17:12). Often, though, it refers to a conscious, immaterial part of man which exists beyond death apart from the body. Bible words must be defined by the context in which they are found, since almost all Bible words have various usages and definitions in different contexts. This is true with words in normal language in or out of the Bible.

    OLD TESTAMENT TEACHING ON THE SOUL. O.T. examples of the soul as an immaterial, conscious part of the man are seen in Ge 35:18 and 1Ki 17:21-22. In Ge. 35 the death of Rachel is recorded, and we learn that her soul departed when she died. "... as her soul was in departing, (for she died)..." In 1Ki. 17 it is recorded that a young boy died and was raised again through Elijah's ministry. The Bible plainly says his soul departed and returned again to him: "... O Lord my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. And the Lord heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived" (1Ki. 17:21,22). Obviously the prophet Elijah did not have the same idea about the soul and death as some cults do, which teach that man's soul does not leave the body.

    The "soul" is used in close connection with the "spirit" (De 4:29; 6:5; 10:12; 11:13,18). In some cases the "soul" might actually be a synonym for the "spirit," but the N.T. makes a distinction between the two and says man has both a soul and a spirit (1Th 5:23). The soul has feelings (Ge 42:21); it thinks (Ge 49:6); it can sin (Le 4:2); it can love God and keep His commandments (De 6:5; 10:12; 11:13); it can meditate upon God's words (De 11:18); it can love a friend (1Sa 18:1-3); it can long for and trust in God (Ps 57:1; 63:1); it can be chastened with fasting (Ps 69:10).

    The O.T. particularly connects the soul of man with his desires and earthly appetites. It is the soul of the thirsty or hungry man that "hath appetite" (Isa 29:8). It is the soul of a man that longs for a woman that he loves (Ge 34:3,8). It was the souls of the Israelites in the wilderness which were "discouraged because of the way" (Nu 21:4) and which loathed the manna (Nu 21:5). It is the soul of a man that loves a friend (1Sa 18:1-3). The soul can be "dried out" (Nu 11:6), "anguished" (Ge 42:21), "grieved" (Jg 10:16); can "lust" (De 12:15), can "long" (De 12:20), can "be grieved" (1Sa 1:10), can "thirst for God" (Ps 42:2), can be "cast down" (Ps 43:5).

    NEW TESTAMENT TEACHING ON THE SOUL. In the N.T., the word "soul" is also used to describe a spiritual part of man distinct from his body. "... I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (1Th 5:23). Here we are told that man has three parts. Paul did not say man IS a soul; he says man HAS a soul.
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  2. wopik

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    Jesus said, "...The hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil [including the rich man], unto the resurrection of damnation [judgement]" - John 5:28-29.
     
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    Why quote only part of the passage Wopik??
    Read on:

    Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    It is pretty hard to escape from the doctrine of eternal punishment of the wicked knowing the clarity of the teaching in that verse.
    DHK
     
  4. standingfirminChrist

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    Amen, DHK!

    Preach on!
     
  5. wopik

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    1 Thessalonians 5:23.


    "soul" in 1Thes 5:23 is Psuche, which is translated LIFE in Matthew 16:25:


    "for whoever shall save his LIFE (PSUCHE) shall loose it...."


    AND IS TRANSLATED "SOUL" in Matthew 16:26:

    For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul (psuche)? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul (psuche)?


    ".......and I pray God your whole spirit and LIFE (psuche, soul) and body be preserved blameless......" - 1Thess. 5:23
     
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    REVELATION 20:10.


    In the KJV, you will notice that the word "are" is in italics. This means the word was supplied by the translators and is not in the original Greek.


    This is the mistranslation that misleads, indicating the beast and the false prophet are still in the lake of fire at the time the devil and his demons are cast into this lake.

    According to the Chronology of Revelation itself, both the beast and the false prophet were cast alive into the lake of fire at the beginning of God's thousand-year reign on the earth (Rev. 19:20). By merely using God's definition of what happens to human bodies when they are cast into fire, we can realize that they will be burned up just like so much fat on a hot stove (Psalm 37:20), and therefore the phrase in Revelation 20:10 should be translated "where the beast and the false prophet WERE."

    Once they are burned up and now dead they are going to stay dead forever---this makes the punishment everlasting!
     
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    I wish more people could see that.
     
  8. standingfirminChrist

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    wopik, keep on adding to God's Word to satisfy the lies of the devil.

    According to scripture, plagues are heading your way.
     
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    point out the lies in my last post.
     
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    It is amazing! The same lying tongue that Eve believed in the garden of Eden...

    "Yea, and hath God said...?"

    "God did not mean you would be tormented night and day, for God knows that in the day you shall be cast therein, you shall surely be annihilated."

    Lying deceitful serpent.
     
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    The wicked will be DESTROYED and will die the SECOND DEATH - from which there is never to be a resurrection (Rev. 20: 6, 14).
     
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    You use the word only in the way you want--to fit into your pre-conceived ideas. Look up the word and see what it means:

    Life is but one meaning. Mind is another. Mind is physical. The word has more than one meaning. The sooner you admit this fact the better off you will be.

    Matthew 15:18-19 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
    --What do you think the heart refers to? That organ that goes thump, thump??
    No, it refers to the soul, the brain. It is the brain that gives the body life. It is the brain that is the mind. When a person is brain-dead life is gone out of him. The Bible is not written in scientific terms. It is obvious that it refers to the mind or brain.

    It is also obvious that man has a spirit. The spirit is eternal and will live forever: either in Hell or in Heaven. You choose the place.
    DHK
     
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    One can destroy their car by crashing it into a guard rail or another vehicle.

    Does that mean that car no longer exists? No. It is just not drivable any more. But it still exists.
     
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    Hope of Glory

    I didn't say Lazarus was in heaven.

    He and the rest of the wicked will be DESTROYED and will die the SECOND DEATH - from which there is never to be a resurrection (Rev. 20: 6, 14).
     
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    I can destroy a manuscript by setting a match to it. It will turn into ASH.


    Malachi
    4:3

    And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.


    DO YOU WANT TO EXIST AS A PILE OF ASH.
     
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    God kept 3 Hebrew men from turning into ash in a fiery furnace.

    He can do the same to the wicked... and will. Only the wicked will feel they are burning alive for all eternity.
     
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    NOT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE:


    Malachi
    4:3

    And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
     
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    so now you are sending the righteous to the lake of fire? For that is where the wicked are assigned.
     
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    Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (KJV)

    Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (ASV)

    Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are both the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for the ages of ages. (Darby)

    Revelation 20:10 The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet are also. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (WEB)

    Revelation 20:10 and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night--to the ages of the ages. (Young's)

    In light of all the different versions quoted above, does Wopik have his own translation that differs for some strange reason from all other translations?
    DHK
     
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    how do you come up with that
     
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