SOULS DIE

PNT Matthew 25:46 And these shall go into euerlastyng payne: the ryghteous into lyfe eternall.
People's New Testament

No annihilation

 

TNT Matthew 25:46 And these shall go into everlastinge payne: And the righteous into lyfe eternall.
Tyndales Bible

no annihilation

 

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Everlasting: aiwnioV aionios ahee-o'-nee-os

from 165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well):--eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).

Punishment: kolasiV kolasis kol'-as-is

from 2849; penal infliction:--punishment, torment.

Jesus did not lie. it will be perpetual torment that the wicked go through... not annihilation.

I will believe the Words of Christ. no annihilation.

 

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Everlasting: aiwnioV aionios ahee-o'-nee-os

from 165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well):--eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).

Punishment: kolasiV kolasis kol'-as-is

from 2849; penal infliction:--punishment, torment.

Jesus did not lie. it will be perpetual torment that the wicked go through... not annihilation.

 

KJV Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. {strange: Gr. other}

The Greek word for 'suffering',

is a present active participle, which expresses continuous or repeated action. A continuous tense suffering for them would be impossible if they were annihilated out of existence.

 

BODY, SOUL AND SPIRIT
'And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man BECAME a living soul. ` Gen 2:7
Let us examine the picture this presents. God formed a body out of the dust of the ground. At this point it is not a person; it is simply a body-or more accurately, a corpse. Then God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life:" or in other words, moving air. As I mentioned earlier, the word "spirit" literally means air in motion. Breath is air in motion, and thus, spirit. Spirit is added to the body. Therefore, a body (corpse), plus spirit (breath), equals a LIVING SOUL.

Conversely, at death you have a body or a corpse again with no life in it. It is now a dead soul. Thus, "a living soul" is a body with a spirit. This is according to the Old Testament Hebrew language.

The Greek language In the New Testament has a slightly different connotation. The Greek word for "soul" is "psuche" (psoo-khay). In Greek thought, the word "psuche" actually meant the whole essence of a person. In other words the "soul" is the result of all the components together that make a person what he Is. However, in the New Testament, when it quotes from or refers back to the Old Testament, in these places we understand "soul" according to the Hebrew meaning.

 

Psalms 8:4-5 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
--Man is created greater than the animals, but a little lower than the angels.

Genesis 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, (nephesh) I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
--All animals have a soul.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
--“The breath of life” His breath refers to His spirit. When he became a living soul refers to the fact that he became alive and began to breathe. But God himself gave man a spirit which made him different than the animals which only had a soul. Man was thus a tri-partite being as God was a triune God or a trinity. Man has body, soul and spirit.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Psalm 8 tells us that we are made a little lower than the angels. However:
Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
--Christ is made so much better than the angels. We are heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ.

Though we are made lower than the angels, the purpose of the angels?
Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
--to serve man; the redeemed.

Man is a spirit being. The spirit is eternal. The body is temporary. This is how Paul explainst it:
2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
--“This earthly house of this tabernacle”
All of these words indicate temporality. Something that is earthly is only temporary. The earth will not last forever. It will someday be destroyed. An earthly house is subject to the 2nd law of Thermodynamics, that is it degenerates; it decays. This tabernacle or tent is a termporary living place. It isn’t even a house that we live in, only a tent—something very temporary. Paul says that it will be dissolved. We are spirit beings housed in a temporary tent that will some day be destroyed.
Secondly, he says we have a building, a house that is not made with hands eternal in the heavens. This refers to another body that we can look forward to being clothed with—something more permanent, in fact something eternal. It is eternal in the heavens.

2 Corinthians 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
--What does Paul mean here?
“We groan…desiring to be clothed.” This is an earnest desire. He wants to be clothed with his eternal body. Why? Because Paul is a spirit being clothed in an earthly temporary body, and wanting to be clothed in an eternal glorified body.
This earthly body “groans.” It is in pain. It is subject to decay and sickness. (I should know  ). Paul awaits being clothed upon with an eternal body made in the heavens.

2 Corinthians 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
--Someday we will die. This body will decay and go back into ashes. The spirit will go to heaven or hell. But it will not remain “naked” as Paul says. It will be clothed. It will receive a resurrected body. We will not be found naked. We will be clothed upon with a glorified body. BTW this truth applies to the unsaved as well.

2 Corinthians 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
--Again Paul speaks about groaning in this body—a sign of pain and decay of this earthly body. But in our celestial bodies there will be no pain (providing you are saved).
Note that mortality will be swallowed up. What does that mean. If mortality is swallowed up, then all that is left is immortality. Man (both saved and unsaved) are immortal spirit beings. Depending on their choice of receiving or rejecting Christ, they will live forever—either in eternal separation from God, or in the eternal presence of God.

2 Corinthians 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
--There is only one of two choices with the believer. If we are here in the body we are absent from Heaven, absent from the Lord.
However, if we are absent from the body, then we are present with the Lord. There is no soul sleep. We are either on earth in our bodies or in heaven with the Lord. Our spirits are eternal. We are spirit beings. There is no purgatory. (a form of soul sleep except your punished at the same time)

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
--Paul is confident of this truth; confident that there is no soul sleep; confident that when he dies he will be with the Lord. When he died he was beheaded and his body was buried. But he (his spirit) went to be with the Lord. He is present with the Lord at this very moment. Paul was and is confident of that very thing. Hie is present with the Lord. There is no such thing as soul sleep according to Paul. There can’t be. We are spirit beings. We have immortality: whether saved or unsaved.
DHK

 

I am asking you to answer your own questions. You don't seem to know the answers or can't answer the very questions that you ask. Satan is a created being. True or false.
You quoted 1Tim., saying Only God is immortal. True or false?
Here is a quote taken from page five from you, Wopik:

Reconcile your own statements.
First you say that only God is immortal.
Now you say that Satan is immortal.
Did you make a mistake? lie? are confused? or what?
Please explain yourself and answer your own questions before you throw them back at us.
DHK

 

Good points, DHK. St. Paul also wrote, "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain." Philippians 1:21 NASB. Paul is not referring to soul sleep because if that were the case, he would gain nothing by dying. He knew that when he died, he would be with Christ, "which is far better."

I noticed that neither wopik nor Claudia would respond to my post about the Greek English literal interlinear translation of Revealtion 20:10 by Robert K. Brown and Philip Comfort, which totally refutes the idea of annihilation of the wicked: AND THE DEVIL, THE ONE DECEIVING THEM, WAS THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE AND SULPHUR, WHERE BOTH THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET (ARE), AND THEY WILL BE TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT INTO THE AGES OF THE AGES. Wopik tried to make it look as if the devil was the only one who was going to suffer forever, but the wording in the Greek says, "they," not "he."

[ March 19, 2006, 12:21 AM: Message edited by: JFox1 ]

 

Ellen G White has deceived many and they are going down that road that leads to destruction. But their destruction is not annihilation as Ellen has taught, but rather 'perpetual torment' as Christ taught in His Holy Word.

 

ONE LAST THING -very important!

I just wanted to say one last thing that is very important for people to understand when it comes to this idea of the dead not really being dead, which is spiritualism's foundational doctrine...

You see, right then in the Apostle Paul's day, Gnosticism, pagan teachings, started coming into the early church and Paul and the faithful disciples of Christ fought vigorously against these fase teachings that were making their way into the church.

The Papacy was beginning to be formed. You see, Satan knows that whenever he used persecution on Christians it tended to spread the gospel even further, and so what he did next was to get people to MIX Christianity with paganism (the old "if you cant beat 'em join 'em" idea.

And so as I said, paganism was mixed with Christianity and you had the Papacy being formed. This is why the Apostle Paul said that "the mystery of iniquity doth already work" in 2 Thessalonians. It had already begun and would wax worse and worse.

When speaking of this mystery of iniquity that had already begun, Paul said that the second coming of Christ would NOT happen UNTIL the great apostasy in the church came first... involving "that man of SIN (LAWLESSNESS) who sits in the seat of God, acting as if he WERE God!" This of course is the Papacy! READ:


2Thes:2:
2: That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

7: For the mystery of iniquity doth already work


THEN Paul warned that those who "had pleasure in unrighteousness" (sin, lawlessness) would be sent a strong delusion...

9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

THEN Paul admonished the brethren to "the traditions which ye have been taught" (which Roman Catholics twist 180 degrees around to try to support their ideas of using tradition instead of going by what the Bible says but actually Paul was telling the brethren to stand faithful AGAINST this Papacy and spiritualism that was making its way into the church)

15: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.


LAWLESSNESS was a large part of these false teachings!

The doctrine is now largely taught that the Gospel of Christ has made the Law of God of no effect; that by "believing" we are released from the necessity of being doers of the word. But this is the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which Christ so unsparingly condemned. To the church of Ephesus he says: 'I know thy works, and thy labor, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil; and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars; and hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast labored, and hast not fainted.

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.'

..and of course we know that John was also was fighting against these Papal errors and Spiritualism/Gnosticism kept repeating the idea that the LIARS (also what Jesus called the Nicolataines) would claim they KNOW GOD when they didnt want to prove that by keeping His commandments! ("knowing God" was and is a Gnostic term they liked to use... yet they didnt know Him at all)


1Jn:2:4: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

and of course we also have not only the not keeping the commandments at all but we have the Sabbath which the Roman Catholic Church changed to Sunday in honor of the pagan Sun God. Once again, Constantine had wanted to mix paganism with Christianity and make a "compromise". Thus we have the mark of the beast verses those who are God's people "they who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus"

Rv:12:17: And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rv:14:12: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus


and then there is the false doctrine of eternal torment that also came from pagan spiritualism and the idea that the soul is naturally immortal.

Those Roman Catholics loved the idea of torturing people in hell forever and ever. Thats why they thought it a justifiable idea to torture people in the inquisition, to "save" their poor souls and force them to "recant" so that they wouldnt have to be tortured forever and ever in hell.

and the doctrine of purgatory and talking to dead saints...

at any rate, this is all one "package deal" of spiritualism and Roman Catholicism that the Christian Church have adopted, unknowingly, and this is why God is calling HIS PEOPLE Out of Babylon, that they be not partaker of her sins, and receive the wrath of God unmixed with mercy.

And you all would do well to listen to this message of mercy, God's last message to the world, given by the Three Angels of Revelation.


Claudia

 

Rather your belief here is the oddest expressed yet.
Why would God create a fire that will last forever, be unquenchable, if those that are thrown in it are simply going to be immediately annihilated. That makes no sense at all. Why an eternal fire for a punishment that lasts just a few minutes. Does that make sense? Not at all.
Eternal fire because there is eternal punishment.
DHK

 

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Everlasting: aiwnioV aionios ahee-o'-nee-os

from 165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well):--eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).

Punishment: kolasiV kolasis kol'-as-is

from 2849; penal infliction:--punishment, torment.

Jesus did not lie. it will be perpetual torment that the wicked go through... not annihilation.

It is sad that people will believe a false prophet like Ellen G. White instead of the Words of the Lord.

 

One could say that the eternal fire is for the devil to tormemt him night and day.

I submit to you that God could have left the devil bound in chains in the bottomless pit and that would have been torment for him; if the lake of fire was just for him.

God could have placed the fire in the pit with the devil if it were just for him.

No, the lake of fire and its assured eternality is not just for the devil, but for all that are his children.

 

oh by the way,,,

2 Thess 2:
3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Papacy, sits in the seat of God as if he were God... BLASPHEMY...

the name of blasphemy "Vicar of Christ" is his title, (adds up to 666 by the way)

"And he shall speak great words against the most High. " Daniel 7.25.

"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies. " Revelation 13:5.

God clearly portrays this power as one that is guilty of blasphemy, assuming the titles and power that belong to God alone.


"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws. " Daniel 7.25.

"The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret, even divine laws....The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth with most ample power of binding and loosing the sheep."-From the Prompta Bibliotheca published in 1900 in Rome by the press of the propaganda.

"The pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ."-Decretal de Translat, Episcop. Cap.


"The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."-Catholic Mirror, Sept. 23, 1893.