The SDA Church!

BTW - I agree with you on the need to get past the obvious fact that God recommends, beef, lamb and salmon over "rats, cats, dogs and bats" in Lev 11 and in Isaiah 66.

The issue is the Word of God and as you point out the Commandments of God

 

I dont recall trying to force anybody to do anything.

 

I dont recall trying to force anybody to do anything.

 

Bob, Nice way to dodge my points there, but for future reference when you provide a proper exegetical point worth commenting on, then I will step into that realm with you. So far, all I've seen is boldening of certain words and a stubborn refusal to see them as anything other than how your church chooses to view them. That is not exeges, my friend, that is dogmatism, and I responded accordingly.
Claudia, I glad to see that you aren't as militant as our friend Bob who makes no bones about the imperative need to follow him on the matter to whatever insane destination he plans to take us. So maybe I'll tone down my advice to you personally to this-- If someone's not being safe in their diet, then advise them of better habits. But if they do not agree in the need for it, then just pray for them. There is no need to turn it into a theological matter when it is simply a physical one. Yes, we should all be try to live healthy lives. But you know what? Paul didn't make an issue out of it; he took measures to insure it would not be an issue. You have given good advice, but when the chips fall I am going to side with pure Scripture on the matter. I hope that is something Bob will come to do in the future.

Blessings,
SpyHunter

 

Well I thought this was supposed to be a debate thing where you tell your views and I tell mine?

Why would you not want me to do that just because you disagree with me on this particular subject?

I dont see the whole thing the same way you do.

...and I thought "Bob the Militant Man" was doing just fine, actually.

I cant compare even a little bit in his ability to debate things, I wish that I could.

Claudia

 

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Originally posted by SpyHunter:
It is foolishness to bring one's personal preferences into a debate labeled as God's commandments. But of course it would then be easier to twist verses which talk about obedience to God's commandments.
The fact remains that this is a New Covenant in which we are not bound by ancient ceremonial laws.

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It would have been better to actually respond to the NT texts given regarding the requirement of God's people NOT to rebel against His Word - NOT to rebel Against His own spoken Law etc - than to simply say that quoting God in this regard is "bad".

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3871/4.html#000048

Have another go at it.

Try clicking on that link and answering even one of the Bible texts listed there that seem to refute your argument above.


Notice carefully how your quote seeks to "pick and choose" within scripture calling some parts of God's word useless "ancient ceremony".

My argument by contrast is that we "listen to scripture". I make that argument "sola scriptura".

The list of texts given in that link "proves it".

Dodging the point only "further proves it".

To take the position I am taking on this - you have to really be "serious about sola scriptura" to the point that you refuse to come to the Bible with the attitude "I don't want to do what God says here - what excuse can I find for ignoring HIM on this one part of the Bible?"

So the list in that link is "put forward" and your dodge of those texts is "noted".

In fact it is "instructive" the way you seem to disdain the quotes from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ given in that link. It is as if you find them "offensive".

But in fact - they simply contradict man-made tradition.

In Christ,

Bob

 

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Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

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Christ speaks of the peace of God from the Holy Spirit (John 14) AND of our need to "keep My commandments" (John 14) IN THE SAMe chapter!

Instead of being in conflict - the Word of God turns out to be "in harmony".

I see you view this as a kind of "surprise". Cheer up -- it is not as bad as you think to simply accept the Word of God as spoken in scripture. John 14 calls us to "KEEP" His commandments AND to LOVE Him AND promises IN that context - the PEACE of God!

We see the same thing in Gal 5 where rebellion against God is contrasted to the Peace given as the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

In Christ,

Bob

 

I really don't care about what another thread says. I'm talking about this one. I agree with obedience to God. But just because you "say" something is a commandment of God and add an ambiugous and non-related passage as a reference, does not make it so.
Surely you will concede that your opinion is not infallable.
And yet all you have done is presented opinion and force Scripture to agree with it. That is foolishness, and I was pointing it out. Others have done a fine job of debating, and I will leave that to them. I am just pointing out that your interpretation of (most) Scripture passages cited thus far have been out of synch with the "harmony" of Scripture.
I suppose this is the reason why "I" am "surprised" that Scripture is harmonious. What you meant to say is that I don't buy into your hokey systemized theology and by definition that makes me a rebel in your eyes. So be it. But when one has so many "hard passages" that require "explanation" in order for their doctrine to hold up, then that itself brings that doctrine into question.
In the end, I suppose my point is that the truth requires no maintenance. But yours does, Bob. Think on that.

Blessings,
SpyHunter

 

Anyone know what "surfeiting" means?

Lk:21:34: And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

 

Claw-dee-a,

the NKJV translates it as carousing or dissipation...

 

i think it means liek hanging out with degenerates and arminians (hehehehe :-D)just joking

 

ok so what is dissipation?

(and dont say it means surfeiting)

 

Here is what we actually find "in scripture" when it Comes to obeying God's Word.

Many of those who care about a "sola scriptura" approach here and sound priniciples of exegesis have shown appreciation of the texts listed here.

Very few others will even quote them.

 

Next come the "pro-ten-Commandments" views of D.L. Moody.

 

More vaccuous claims SpyH? Why not actually quote the texts and comments and then RESPOND to DETAILS rather than simply ranting in vague accusation form?

Hint: Try engaging in the subject at the level of "detail" - as in pay attention to the points, the texts etc and then "respond" to what is being said.

 

And the "proof" for that wild empty accusation is??....

Nada -- nothing at all given - no quotes from me no response to detail - just vague empty assertion and accusation.

How "instructive"