Christianity Today: Trump Should Be Removed

If President Trump is not a Christian, he is not subject to the moral standards of Christianity. If he is a Christian, being in leadership, we hold him to the same standard of any leader in the church. He is not exempt.
I don't live under "the ends justify the means" ethic.

 

You take Jesus out of context. Go re-read the passage.

 

What you describe is called "Machiavellian Principles" as outlined in "The Prince." If you haven't read it I suggest you read it.
President Trump, like many rulers, uses Machiavellian Principles to perfection.
My disagreement with your position is this: As a world leader and a proclaimed Christian, President Trump is called to account by all Christians across the globe. When he speaks and acts, he represents Christ on a global scale. He may be too immature in his faith to recognize this. Godly leaders should call him to account and to repentance in these areas. Silence is not good for him nor for the church universal.
We agree that God has placed President Trump in his position and God can remove him as God wills. We can wait upon God to act. I can even agree that calling for President Trumps removal is a step too far. But,. I can also say calling him to repentance is the Christian duty.

 

You claim authority that you do not possess. Leave the judging to God. You would have likely dethroned King David for his transgressions. But God wouldn't and didn't. Would not King David have slew the unjust man that the prophet Nathan described? And that unjust man was God's servant King David. Who are we to judge who God chooses to utilize?

 

Every Christian has authority to call out sin.
Here is the precedence:

Galatians 6:1-10 Brothers,if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. But let each one test his own work, and then his reason to boast will be in himself alone and not in his neighbor. For each will have to bear his own load. Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches. Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up. So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

 

Another dishonest and strawman post from you

 

What?

Is Galatians 6 wrong?

 

I don't hate Donald Trump. I love him enough to tell him to repent. Do you love him enough to do the same?

 

Actually, you are wrong on both counts.

His post was not dishonest.

His post did not present a straw man, but specific instruction Paul gave.

What may be questioned is the authority of a member of one assembly calling out the public sins of one from another assembly.

That argument is not related because public sin by any believer needs to be public ally rebuked.

SBC preachers are weak in this area. They, like the IFB folks, would rather keep secretes that openly rebuke sin especially that of leadership.

I think CT was wrong. It has enough sin in its own house to be concerned about.

But neither do I give the sinful bluster of Trump a nod. It is wrong.

 

I am not wrong. xlsdraw did not question calling a believer to repentance. particular knows it and tried to avoid that and redirect away from what was really said.

 

You replied directly to particular, and particular spoke directly and with Scripture authority concerning what was posted.

You assumed that which was not.

 

Actually I didn't since xlsdraw agreed with my explanation of his post. See I have reading comprehension skills. And just to further help you out xlsdraw was talking about removing a leader from office not calling a Christian to repentance. This is very easily understood by even a quick glance at his post. Not sure why this needs to be explained.

 

Proverbs 27:5-6 Better is open rebuke than hidden love. Faithful are the wounds of a friend; profuse are the kisses of an enemy.

 

How convenient. Once again you intentionally leave out key points in someone else's post to carry your agenda. Guess what bub. There is no need for rebuke of someone who has "reconciled". But you wanted to ignore that word in his post. Why?

 

Certainly, I agree.

Reading comprehension is a skill not everyone learns nor consistently uses.

Did you see the FIRST line of particular’s post.

He did not refer to removal, he referred directly to the sinful behaviors.

The post was about behavior not removal.

Others may have been about removal, but this one was not.

Your claim was without merit.

Yes, reading comprehension is a very good skill, I used to teach that skill.

 

xlsdraw's post was about removal. Here is his exact post:

"You claim authority that you do not possess. Leave the judging to God. You would have likely dethroned King David for his transgressions. But God wouldn't and didn't. Would not King David have slew the unjust man that the prophet Nathan described? And that unjust man was God's servant King David. Who are we to judge who God chooses to utilize?"


Sorry you are flat out wrong.

 

Point me to where Donald Trump has reconciled with God by repentance. I welcome his open repentance and encourage him to walk in step with the Spirit of God.
Tweet after tweet point to one who doesn't care about the attitude and spirit in which he speaks about others.
On a side note: How long would it be before Donald Trump was banned from the BB for his treatment of others?