Is this statement true or false?

What verse is that?

That is true, but it is not a type of angel as others have implied.

 

That's Exodus 22:28

And an angel could be considered a 'god' in that loose meaning of the word, but no, that does not mean Michael was God. That comes from both him and Christ being called "prince" in different places, and people thought they were therefore the same.

 

James,


what does that have to do with anything?

Ok so at one time Jesus was the head of all the angels, then a third of the angels fell and satan is now head over the wicked angels.

What does this have to do with Jesus as Michael the archangel or Jesus as Captain of the Hosts

 

I didn't say that all the posters should not respond to me, but I said YOU Chemnitz should not respond to me so that you and I should avoid any more crashes. Isn't it wise solution? I don't have so much problem with other posters as with you. Not only you yourself, if I had any serious problem in arguing, it is wise that I stop any further argument with such specific person, I think.
So, please don't respond to my posts, because they are not aimed at you and you don't deserve my words.

The following was not the first time, and it proves what kind of man you are!

Please take back these Garbages into your mouth which were the source of such Garbage .

Originally posted by Chemnitz:
You ought to be ashamed of yourself for spouting such filth .
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Originally posted by Chemnitz:
How dare you insinuate such garbage . . [/QB]


Originally posted by Chemnitz:
How dare you insinuate such garbage. You don't have the first clue about what is to be a Lutheran Pastor. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for spouting such filth .


Is your mouth Garbage Factory?

 

Anybody who posts is fair game. You can't expect me to ignore somebody who is promoting false teachings.

Again why don't you inform people why I got angry with you.

Garbage what garbage? If you don't like people disputing your claims and calling you on spreading rumors maybe you ought to refrain from doing such.

 

I gave you the chance to apologize to me but you refuse it.
You don't know what is allowed in the debate and what is not allowed.
Moreover, that was not the first happening, and it happened several times. In such case, it is quite wise that we'd better avoid any argument between you and me.

My post was not a problem, you post it and let the people judge how is the difference.

Again the Lord kindly advise me:
Matt 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.


Was Jesus wrong?

Again, I say to you, please don't respond to me as my posts are not addressed to you, and that you and I know that both quickly argue each other and you will spout another garbage, if we respond each other. This is the only wise solution, I believe.

I told you already, that the other posters are OK as they never spouted garbages like you!
You are not worthy to respond to me, please!

 

James, I am perfectly willing to let it drop, but I am not the one who keeps bringing it up. I was willing to leave the whole incident in the pass despite the deceitful remarks made towards men such as myself and having my salvation question numerous times. I am not even bitter over the whole incident. I do think it is funny and sad I am being lectured on debating by somebody who repeatedly calls others whores and questions the salvation of people who disagree with him.

 

If Jesus is referred to as "Michael the Archangel" in Scripture, did He not have power to rebuke satan?

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when he was disputing with the Devil in a debate about Moses' body, did not dare bring an abusive condemnation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

This verse alone dispells the myth that Jesus and Michael are on in the same.

 

webdog,

I dont think thats right. I think when He says the Lord He is referring to Himself

 

It is difficult to judge here.
Dan 12:1 says Michael, Ha-Shar Hagadol, which means Michael, the Great Prince. If we think about Dan 8:25 which says "Prince of princes" it sounds like indicating Pre-Incarnate Jesus.
However, "Shar" indicated "prince, commander, noble, etc." not Pre-Incarnate Jesus before. In Daniel, he mentions "Masiach" separately in 9:25-26.
As we should trust Jude most in interpretting, he didn't mention him as more than Archangel. In my survey, Michael appears 14 times in the Bible and 4 of them refers to Michael Archangel as in Dan 10:13, 10:21, 12:1, Jude.
If we carefully read Dan 10, we notice he is one of the princes, a powerful angel in charge of Israel.
I would not rule out the possibility that Michael might be Pre-Incarnate Jesus. Michael seems to be one of the several powerful princes of angels.
In case of Pre-Incarnate Jesus Christ, He is usually mentioned as Ha-Malack.
Gen 31:11 says " the Angel" said to Jacob. Then the Angel declares " I am God " ( Gen 31:13)
Jacob confesses that the Angel ( Malack) was his Redeemer from all evils. ( Gen 48:16)
Jehovah told Moses that He would send the Malack ahead of Israel and that they should obey Him because " my name is in Him" (Exodus 23:21), which is a terrible statement.

Jesus said " I am come in my father's name" ( John 5:43)

Judges 13:18 says His name(Ha-Malack's name) is "Wonderful" which is Peleh in Hebrew as we read Isaiah 9:6.
In case of "Ha-Malack", His deity is clear, while Michael seems to be an working angel, and Pre-Incarnate Jesus Christ was quite above the Anrchangels, and no one can be compared to Him.
The Malack ( Special Angel) who called Abraham in Gen 22 was this Angel. So, we can understand that Jesus worked very much even before His coming into this world.

But the angels are the ministering spirits.
Objections may come from his name, Michael (who is like God), but we can interpret it as a Praise to God. I believe Michael is different from Jesus since the deity of Michael is never mentioned.

 

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Phi 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Michael the archangel has a name, and it is not the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

Im sorry but I just dont feel like trying to follow all of your winding ideas.

Unfortunately, you just dont realize who Michael is. He is Jesus Christ and no other.


Dan:12:1: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people : and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.


At that time Jesus ceases His intercession in the sanctuary above. He lifts His hands and with a loud voice says, "It is done;" and all the angelic host lay off their crowns as He makes the solemn announcement: "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." Revelation 22:11. Every case has been decided for life or death. Christ has made the atonement for His people and blotted out their sins. The number of His subjects is made up; "the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven," is about to be given to the heirs of salvation, and Jesus is to reign as King of kings and Lord of lords.

 

Also, you just dont comprehend the purposes of Satan against God. His purpose has always been to cast doubt upon God and His government, His authority, His commandments, His Laws.

That was why Satan (once Lucifer) was cast out of Heaven and a third of the Angels cast out with him, down to earth.

Since then, Satan has endeavored to cast doubt on God, to cause distrust of Him and His Law. Satan, once thrown out of heaven, went after Adam and Eve, then after Jesus when He was born, and now in the end times he is going after those remnant people of God who still believe in keeping God's commandments and who will stand up for God's character and integrity in this controversy between good and evil.

Unfortunately, you dont realize you are helping him out in his endeavors.


Rv:12:9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Rv:12:4: And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


Gen:3:1: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Rv:12:17: And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This thing you term a "Wild Story" is in the Bible, but you just need to open up your mind a little bit and then it will become clear to you.

You have no idea of why we are to be Christians, we are to represent Christ and to honor God by showing the world His ways, His Laws... giving glory to Him by our good works.

Unfortunately you seem to be confined to the idea of "how little can I do and still get to heaven" and "let me glorify God by not doing anything except for claiming the sacrifice of Jesus"... and while you are in that state of mind, these things in the Bible will remain closed to you, I'm afraid.

Deut. 4
5: Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6: Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.


Mt:5:16: Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Claudia

 

Joshua 5:13- 15

13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, [Art] thou for us, or for our adversaries?


Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but [as] captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him , What saith my lord unto his servant?


Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest [is] holy. And Joshua did so.
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Who was this man, Captain of the Host of Jehovah?

Why did Joshua worship him? Is it normal that angels order mankind to loose the shoes off ?

Are we supposed to worship Angels other than God?

However, still I separate Malack from Elohim ( angels) and see Michael as Arch-Angel, not the Malack.

 

James,

God has already helped me.

Claudia