1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured is it OK to have Jesus shown on TV or Movies?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Yeshua1, Feb 4, 2020.

  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Or is that a direct violation about no graven images made for God?
     
  2. tyndale1946

    tyndale1946 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    11,184
    Likes Received:
    2,489
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Got any pictures of Jesus hanging on your wall in your church or home?... How about in your church bulletin?... Doesn't have to be TV or Hollywood... You buy a Bible and I know no one has control over that but there again, pictures of the artist rendition of Jesus... I could go on and on but you get the picture... Brother Glen:)
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I have seen Jesus of Nazareth many times though, and Jesus as the actor portrayed him was done quite well!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. Rippon2

    Rippon2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2020
    Messages:
    1,119
    Likes Received:
    177
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Jesus has never been shown on tv or in the movies.
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
  5. Wesley Briggman

    Wesley Briggman Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2017
    Messages:
    1,312
    Likes Received:
    391
    Faith:
    Baptist
    [​IMG]

    ULL CAST AND CREW | TRIVIA | USER REVIEWS | IMDbPro | MORE

    7.1/10
    205,074


    The Passion of the Christ (2004)
    R | 2h 7min | Drama | 25 February 2004 (USA)
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]


    1:08 | Trailer
    3 VIDEOS | 140 IMAGES

    Depicts the final twelve hours in the life of Jesus of Nazareth, on the day of his crucifixion in Jerusalem.
    Director:
    Mel Gibson
    Writers:
    Benedict Fitzgerald (screenplay), Mel Gibson (screenplay)
    Stars:
    Jim Caviezel, Monica Bellucci, Maia Morgenstern | See full cast & crew »
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2004
    Messages:
    1,162
    Likes Received:
    163
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Despite certain views (mostly Reformed confessional) that attempting to picture Jesus in art, plays, or movies is a violation of the second commandment (which then nullifies most of the great art of centuries as well as the early and modern passion plays; e.g. BJU and its art museum) — on the other hand such items and events have done much to draw people to a saving faith in Christ.

    The Jesus Film in particular is a key example, and for most people I suspect the second commandment is interpreted to prohibit representation of the Father or Holy Spirit as being spirit and therefore not permissible to have graven image likenesses.
     
    #6 Ziggy, Feb 4, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2020
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • Useful Useful x 1
  7. Benyamin

    Benyamin New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2020
    Messages:
    19
    Likes Received:
    10
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The Second Commandment:

    "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:"
    It's a sin to create graven images (Regardless of whether they represent God, or not) and to worship them.
    The creation of a graven image itself is not the sin. Otherwise, it would be a sin to create any form of decorative statue, or to draw pictures of anything at all.

    There are plenty of cases of Hebrews building graven images of things in heaven above, and the earth beneath, and it was not a sin, because they were not objects of worship. Some of these cases were commanded by God Himself. No one can deny that God commanded the creation of the Cherubim (likeness of things in heaven) and also the Bronze Serpent (things on the earth). It was not until the people began to worship the Bronze Serpent much later, that it had to be destroyed. And there are plenty of cases when the Hebrews built graven images and worshiped them, which God judged.

    Below are seals, from the time of Isaiah the Prophet. It "depicts" YHWH as a crowned disc, and also the the Seraphim surrounding the throne. This were common Hebrew-Judean art. It was not seen as a violation of the second commandment, because they were not objects of worship.

    [​IMG]
    YHWH was portrayed as a non-descript crowned disc perhaps out of respect, in the same way the Holy Name would never be uttered out loud. The likeness of the Holy One cannot be known by mortal man. It's too terrible. Why could Moses only see the hinder part of God? Why were the people afraid to approach Him? The Bible is true, "No man has seen God at anytime". Any "depictions" of the Holy Presence are, like this disc, ambiguous and non-descript, in a similar way "Hashem", "Lord", "Herr" etc are used to refer to the Holy Name.

    Basically, God in His fullness, is too holy for us to grasp. There's a reason mortal eyes have not seen His unfiltered presence, and why His Holy Name has not been uttered in it's original pronunciation (to the point where we don't even know what the pronunciation is!). We cannot depict Him, because He is un-depictable.

    BUT, we can't forget the clause to this verse, "No man has seen God..[but] the only begotten Son...hath declared him". We are told in other places, Jesus is the "express image of God". He is the divine Logos, the "Word" of God, made flesh, and made "able to be handled" by men.

    I don't believe that pictures of Christ are a sin. AS LONG as they are not worshiped. In which case, it's regardless what the image portrays. It matters whether the image is being worshiped or not. While the divine presence itself is unable to be depicted, because no man has ever seen Him. But He has been declared/manifested unto man, via the Word. Since the Word was made flesh, dwelt among us, and has been handled by us, he is able to be depicted (in the sense he is made a man). To depict Jesus Christ is in my opinion no different than to depict any man. Yes, He is God. But He was made a man. The people didn't have to quake and tremble before His presence, because He was clothed in flesh just like yours and mine. Is it a sin to depict a physical man?

    To depict Christ in movies or TV is no different than to draw a picture of Him. And, in my opinion, no different than saying the name Jesus out loud.

     
    • Informative Informative x 2
  8. Rippon2

    Rippon2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2020
    Messages:
    1,119
    Likes Received:
    177
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Wesley, do you honestly think that your post was a refutation of my #4 post?

    Jesus has never been on tv, movies or the internet.
     
  9. Wesley Briggman

    Wesley Briggman Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2017
    Messages:
    1,312
    Likes Received:
    391
    Faith:
    Baptist
    My mistake. I did not take the post literally, as I should have. Thanks for your challenge!
     
  10. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I would see the Commandment as prohibiting say the use of Icon images, but not having Jesus portrayed by an actor as long as respectful and to the scriptures!
     
  11. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I see this as example of when a well intended Christian would take what Confessions state to be equal and on par with the scriptures themselves....
     
  12. canadyjd

    canadyjd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2005
    Messages:
    13,409
    Likes Received:
    1,760
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I saw a play once that depicted the passion of Christ. At one point, the actor portraying Jesus led a healing service as if he were Jesus.

    I have to say it rattled me. It was inappropriate at best and blasphemous at worst.

    peace to you
     
  13. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2004
    Messages:
    1,162
    Likes Received:
    163
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I have no problem with icons, whether of Jesus or other supposed saints and martyrs, so long as they are taken only as works of art. When people begin reverencing and praying to an icon on the hope that somehow such would
    be effective for granting requests (whether directed to an image of Jesus, Mary, or other saints), then we are talking idolatry.
     
  14. Noah Hirsch

    Noah Hirsch Active Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2018
    Messages:
    160
    Likes Received:
    29
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
  15. Noah Hirsch

    Noah Hirsch Active Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2018
    Messages:
    160
    Likes Received:
    29
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    If Jesus hates it as idolatry it doesn’t matter how much we liked or enjoyed the film.
     
  16. JPPT1974

    JPPT1974 Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2005
    Messages:
    565
    Likes Received:
    31
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Well back in the days of the Golden Age Jesus and His name were mentioned frequently there of TV and movies. But now everything is taboo. Sad but true.
     
  17. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Yes indeed, as think that is the expressed purpose for many who hold to Icons!
     
  18. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    it rises to the level of idolatry if one either thinks that is the real Jesus, or else is praying to and worshipping the actor then?
     
  19. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    God the Father and the Holy Spirit have no physical forms, being Spirit, but Jesus had a physical form....
     
  20. Jerome

    Jerome Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2006
    Messages:
    9,838
    Likes Received:
    702
    Faith:
    Baptist
    What???

    Luke 3:22
    and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove...
     
Loading...