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Lionel (Michael William Lebron) Nation, asks, 'Will there be a civil war?', "No." (He's wrong ...)

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  1. Alofa Atu

    Alofa Atu Well-Known Member

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    Lionel will find himself to be in error upon the point of "Will there be a 'civil war'?" Sister White (E. G. White, the Messenger of the LORD God for these last days) has foretold, that there will be another "civil war", notice (also the 'date', 1899):

    "... God does not design that men shall appropriate all that the earth produces for their own selfish purposes. He calls upon them to bring their tithes and offerings into His storehouse, that there may be meat in His house. In India, China, Russia, and the cities of America, thousands of men and women are dying of starvation. The monied men, because they have the power, control the market. They purchase at low rates all they can obtain, and then sell at greatly increased prices. This means starvation to the poorer classes, and will result in a civil war.

    There will be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation. “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, even to that same time; and at that time thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book. ... Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly, and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.” [Daniel 12:1, 10.] ..." - MS 114; August 13, 1899 - Ms 114, 1899 -- Ellen G. White Writings

    She was right about the previous "Civil War" of the "States:

    "... Jan. 12, 1861, just three months to a day before the first gun was fired on Fort Sumpter, the Seventh-day Adventist meeting-house in Parkville, Mich., was dedicated. At the close of a discourse by Elder White, Sister White gave a stirring exhortation, after which she took her seat in a chair. In this position she was taken off in vision. The house was crowded with people, and it was a most solemn place to be in. After coming out of the vision, she arose, and looking about the house she said:-

    “There is not a person in this house who has even dreamed of the trouble that is coming upon this land. People are making sport of the secession ordinance of South Carolina, but I have just been shown that a large number of States are going to join that State, and there will be a most terrible war.

    In this vision I have seen large armies of both sides gathered on the field of battle. I heard the booming of the cannon, and saw the dead and dying on every hand. Then I saw them rushing up engaged in hand-to-hand fighting [bayoneting one another]. Then I saw the field after the battle, all covered with the dead and dying. Then I was carried to prison, and saw the suffering of those in want, who were wasting away. Then I was taken to the homes of those who had lost husbands, sons, or brothers in the war. I saw there distress and anguish.”

    Then looking slowly around the house she said:-

    “There are those in this house who will lose sons in that war.”

    Many of the leading journals of the North at that time, particularly Horace Greely’s paper, the New York Tribune, made sport of the idea of there being any war, and said that “if a few old women with broomsticks should go down to South Carolina, they could quickly quell all the rebellion there is there.” But how was it? Just one year from that time I was preaching in that same house, and there sat before me in the audience two men who were present at the dedication, and who had expressed to me their disbelief in what Sister White had said. I alluded to the subject of spiritual gifts and spoke of what had been said in that house just one year before, and as I did so, both of those men buried their faces in their hands, and one of them began to sob aloud. And no wonder. Six weeks before he had buried his only son, brought home from the war a corpse, and the man beside him had lost one son in the war and had another one in a rebel prison. Brother Kinne said there were at least five persons in the house that day of the dedication who afterward lost sons in the war. ..." - General Conference Daily Bulletin, Volume 5, January 31, February 1, 1893​

    She was right about the monopolies that formed (written in 1903):

    "... The Lord desires you to be of good courage. He has a work for you to do in evangelistic lines, a work demanding more distinctly spiritual efforts than the work in which you have been engaged. The greatest and most important work in which we can engage is the preparation of a people to stand in the day of God, upon which we are just entering. May the Lord help you, my brother, to devote your God-given capabilities to winning souls to Christ. Rest in God, and walk humbly with Him. You will need much of the rich grace of the Saviour, and a deep, settled conviction that the work of the people of God is to prepare for the events of the future, which will soon come upon them with blinding force.

    In the world gigantic monopolies will be formed. Men will bind themselves together in unions that will wrap them in the folds of the enemy. A few men will combine to grasp all the means to be obtained in certain lines of business. Trades unions will be formed, and those who refuse to join these unions will be marked men.

    It is time for us to take our work out of the cities. Our sanitariums should be furnished with facilities for giving the sick the best of care, and they should be properly conducted; but they should be as far as possible from the cities. The whole world is to be tested, and obedience to the law of God is to be the test.

    Unionism has revealed what it is by the spirit that it has manifested. It is controlled by the cruel power of Satan. Those who refuse to join the unions formed are made to feel this power. The principles governing the forming of these unions seem innocent, but men have to pledge themselves to serve the interests of these unions, or else they may have to pay the penalty of refusal with their lives.

    These unions are one of the signs of the last days. Men are binding up in bundles ready to be burned. They may be church members, but while they belong to these unions, they cannot possibly keep the commandments of God; for to belong to these unions means to disregard the entire decalogue. ..." - Lt 26, December 10, 1903​

    The year was 1903, and just a few short years later, the greatest monopoly on earth was formed - the "creature from Jekyll Island" - the so-called "Federal Reserve System", and also, the great monopolies of Steel, Oil, and Internet (AOl-Time-Warner, Gates, Jobs, etc) and Media, etc.

    She also foretold the events in New York, and yet more is coming (written in 1904):

    "... When I was last in New York, I was in the night season called upon to behold buildings rising story after story toward heaven. These buildings were warranted to be fireproof, and they were erected to glorify the owners. Higher and still higher these buildings rose, and in them the most costly material was used. Those to whom these buildings belonged were not asking themselves, “How can we best glorify God, that we may enjoy Him forever?” God was not in their thoughts.

    I thought: “O that those who are thus investing their means could see that this display does not give them one iota of advantage with God. They are piling up magnificent buildings, but how foolish in the sight of the Ruler of the universe is their planning and devising. They are not studying with all the powers of heart and mind what they may do to glorify God, that they may enjoy Him forever. They have lost sight of this, the first duty of man.”

    As these lofty buildings went up, the owners rejoiced with ambitious pride that they had money to use in glorifying self and in provoking the envy of their neighbors.

    Much of the money that they thus invested had been obtained through exaction, through grinding the faces of the poor. In the books of heaven an account of every business transaction is kept. There every unjust deal, every fraudulent act is recorded. The time is coming when in their fraud and insolence men will reach a point that the Lord will not permit them to pass, and they will learn that there is a limit to the forbearance of Jehovah.

    The scene that next passed before me was an alarm of fire. Men looked at lofty and supposedly fireproof buildings and said, “They are perfectly safe.” But these buildings were consumed as if made of pitch. The fire engines could do nothing to stay the destruction. The firemen were unable to operate the engines.

    I am instructed that when the Lord’s time comes, should no change have taken place in the hearts of proud, ambitious human beings, men will find that the hand that has been strong to save will be strong to destroy. No earthly power can stay the hand of God. No material can be used in the erection of buildings that will preserve them from destruction when God’s appointed time comes to send retribution on men for their insolence and their disregard of His law. ..." - Lt 83, February 15, 1904​

    Did you know Lionel, that history is repeating itself? See Luke 13:4; Ecclesiastes 1:9, 3:15 (KJB). Even in the days of Jesus there were two corrupt high priests, and now we have two individuals in the Vatican, a current 'pope' and ex-meritus. Events are aligned.

    She foretold that disease in animals would increase to the point that it would not longer be safe to eat any of those things, which is even found in Hosea 4:1-6.
     
  2. Alofa Atu

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    You would do well to consider what she has stated on other things, even if you do not understand it all, for even the other Radio host, Paul Harvey took counsel from her, saying:

    "... “Women have been honored on American postage stamps for more than 100 years, starting with one woman who was not an American, Queen Isabella, in 1893. Since then, 86 women have been honored, ranging from Martha Washington to Marilyn Monroe. Also many women authors like Louisa May Alcott, Emily Dickenson, Willa Cather, and Rachel Carson. But I can name an American woman author who has never been honored thus, though her writings have been translated into 148 languages. More than Marx or Tolstoy, more than Agatha Christie, more than William Shakespeare. Only now is the world coming to appreciate her recommended prescription for optimum spiritual and physical health."

    During these few minutes, millions of Americans who had never before heard of Ellen White had been introduced to the historic author and speaker.​

    Paul Harvey concluded, "Ellen White: You don’t know her? Get to know her!” ..."​
     
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    Well, at least I am called "brother". :)
     
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    Even now, there is the Ordo ab Chao at work in the United States, the motto of the Jesuits, the "order through chaos/revolution", the Hegelian dialectic:

    The Chaos Cycle is at work:

     
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    Christian sues US Postal Service over Sunday work shifts

    "... The complaint also requests for the agency to create policies that provide equal employment opportunities for religious observance of Sabbath on Sundays. ..."​

    They are pushing hard. They will get what they want, but it will cost them everything.
     
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    So my view of the sabbath has recently changed. I believe the sabbath is on Saturday. But I goto church on Sunday. Now before y’all stone me. Let me explain my thoughts.

    By our calendars:
    7th day is Saturday.
    1st day is Sunday.

    The Good Book has us keeping the 7th holy and a day of rest.

    I wake up every Saturday morning and pray, then think to myself how can I keep today holy. Which I surly try. I rest at home and focus on the good Lord and time with my family.

    Now comes Sunday, up early and off to church. Now one thing here, our pastor and church staff is busy working to keep things there functional on Sundays. No problem for the pastor and staff to be working on Sunday if you believe Saturday is the sabbath...

    To me I start my week praising the Lord on Sunday and end my week praising the Lord on Saturday. In my pea brain it’s a win win

    This is my first time putting these thoughts on paper or telling anyone as I have only recently thought this up. Yes I’m a Baptist
     
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