I Corinthians 1:7 shows that gifts continue

You know what really surprises me? That latly the thread will be silent after Link makes a post... then I praise Link for the points he makes... then DHK will come in and post back to Link.

DHK said:
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That is right. You have it:
So that ye (Corinthians) come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

It doesn't say anything about anyone else except the Corinthian believers. It was Paul writing to them. For just a few verses later he says:

1 Corinthians 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

Are you also among the house of Chloe?
DHK
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DHK,
The house of Chloe was the ones who told Paul that something was wrong among the Corinths. So eveidently they held some respect with Paul.
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Keep preaching it Link~ you have made very strong points with scripture. raise: :Fish:

 

1 Corinthians 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

Chloe in the Greek
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Χλόη
Chloē
khlo'-ay
Feminine of apparently a primary word; "green"; Chloe, a Christian female: - Chloe.

:smilewinkgrin:

 

You are right.
Here is the situation more accurately.
Paul had heard certain things that had been going on in the church at Corinth. Some of those things were so bad that they had been widely spread and had becocme common knowledge by most everyone. Example:

"It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you" (1Cor.5:1)

Then he heard reports from specific people coming from certain households such as Chloe's"

1 Corinthians 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

Finally, the church itself wrote Paul a letter outlining the various problems that they were having and asked him to intervene or at least to give advice as to what they should do:

1 Corinthians 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me:...

My position in all of this has been consistent. Paul is writing a letter to the Corinthians. He points out the situation in that church at that time. Here is what he says about the Corinthian church in 55 A.D.

1 Corinthians 1:7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
--He does not say that your church or my church or any other church comes behind in no gift. He said that their church, the Corinthian Church, came behind in no gift. That is they had all the gifts available to them. We don't. They do. They also had all the other problems that are mentioned in each chapter of 1Corinthians, including those that denied the very resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ (chapter 15). Are there members in your church that deny the resurrection also?

1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

How is it that you want to apply one part of the letter to your church but not the other?
DHK

 

A fair warning: This is a long thread. It will close at thirty pages. A similar thread can be opened up by anyone interested.
DHK

 

We learn from principles:
Fornication is wrong.
Christ is risen.
Someday we also shall rise.

However we also learn the historical condition of the church at that time and we must be able to distinguish between history and the truth that Paul is teaching.
Paul heard from the house of Chloe. That is history.
The Corinthian church denied the resurrection. That is history.
The Corinthian church was blessed to have all the gifts. That is history.

These things are not difficult to figure out. But if you want to go on twisting Scripture to fit into your own scheme of theology, then keep on wrongly dividing the Word of Truth.
DHK

 

Amen~ Link :flower:

DHK suggested:
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--He does not say that your church or my church or any other church comes behind in no gift. He said that their church, the Corinthian Church, came behind in no gift. That is they had all the gifts available to them. We don't. They do. They also had all the other problems that are mentioned in each chapter of 1Corinthians, including those that denied the very resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ (chapter 15). Are there members in your church that deny the resurrection also?
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As a reminder Pauls letter was to straighten out the Corithians and set the "Church" straight on many issues including the resurrection and the proper use of the gifts. What was written for the Corithians was written for all the churches for all the disciples who sat under the teaching of the Word. Are you saying that there was a different set of rules for other churches? Wouldn't that cause strife among the church and believers?
The bible is also an instruction book and Paul is instructing the Corinth church how the church should operate. To which this is why Paul wrote the letter to stop contentions among the brethren.
Also your too late in saying that "we" don't have the gifts of the Spirit today. Speak for yourself cause I along with many others have operated in the gifts of the Spirit that are mentioned in (1Cor.12), but not as I will, but as the Spirit wills.

1Cor. 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

On the question you asked about the resurrection... We are normal bible believeing people and our church believes in the resurrection. :flower:

 

Please learn this

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The bible is given for instruction. Every word of the bible can be used by GOD to teach us things. History can be used. Doctrine can be used. God is sovreign. That is why all the the books that are in the bible are there!

God put them there for our benifit. To say that this or that cannot be used to teach us today is just denying the full impact of the Word.

But if one must live under a rock, so be it!!


Peace,

Tam:laugh:

 

I never said it wasn't Tam.
I said one must be able to distinguish between historical events and doctrine. God spoke to Moses through a burning bush; a bush that was on fire and yet not consumed. Does God do that any longer? No! It was an historical event that will never be repeated again. Can we learn from such events? Yes, but the event itself will never be repeated again.
The same is true on the events in First Corinthians. They describe a church at that time. We can learn from them. But they describe a church in existence in 55 A.D. 1Cor.1:7 is a description of the state of the church at that time. Please differentiate between history and and doctrine.
DHK

 

DHK suggeted:
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Take the problems one at a time:
1. divisions in the church.
2. following false teachers
3. incest
4. taking believers to court
5. marriage problems.
8. offering meats to idols
9. abuse of the Lord's Table
10. abuse of the Spiritual gifts
11. denial of the resurrection.
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In stead of looking at the problems how about looking at the solutions that Paul offered and told them how to operate in church then apply them to your church. :smilewinkgrin:

 

Yes that is correct. Paul state a fact in 1Cor.1:7. The Corinthian Church had all the gifts. He leaves it at that. It is in the introduction of his letter. And then in chapters 12 to 14 he deals with the solutions that relate to the abuse of the gifts. That was the problem. They were abusing the very gifts that God had given the church.
DHK

And as I warned, when the thread reached 30 pages it should be closed.
Please free to start another one.