How Many Times Have You Been Saved?

Claudia,

Regarding knowing that one is saved...

If you have embraced Christ through faith alone,(and I assume you have of course) you can KNOW that you are saved. Its not presumption or arrogance. Its confidence in the goodness and trustworthiness of God, who has said...

God bless,

Mike

 

Where was Peter that he fell? Are you saying Peter was saved before this and then fell out of salvation?


Im not thinking that Peter fell out of salvation, he just fell into sin. Once you do that though you can fall and keep going and not come back to God.

Of course Peter did repent and come back to God though.


You said..

Sins are only rated by man. To murder is very bad in mans eyes, yet to God it is in the same area as lying. Also, the number of sins to man matters. If i sinned one time, to mankind I just slipped and they forgive fairly easy. If I sin over and over..i'm looked at as a dirty rotten no good for nothing sinner my man, yet to God both the one time sinner and the many time sinner are just sinners.

Who did God save..the rich youg ruler that kept the law..or was it Paul that killed believers?


Im not entirely sure about that ....isnt it in proverbs that it says God hates pride? If you have pride which is a basic thing, it will keep you from alot of things.

Lk:14:11: For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

If you have pride you cease to realize how dependent you are upon Jesus for everything. Without Him you can do nothing.

You said..

Again..for peter to be going down..step by step....where is the place above that he came from?

Not quite sure what you mean by that. But obviously if he got to the point where he could deny His Lord, he mustve fallen. Jesus said "if you deny Me I will deny you" which is pretty serious, right?

You said..

So you have no idea with your faith if Paul is in heaven?
How about John?
Mark?
David?

Well I dont believe the dead are in heaven but thats another topic.

I feel like its not my place to judge if someone went to heaven or not.


Your not really sure if anyone made it there..for they may have lost their salvation before they died..that is..in your faith.

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, (((nor any other creature))), SHALL BE ABLE TO SEPARATE US from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38

well Paul also said something about being a castaway

1Cor:9:27: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

..so I doubt he meant he couldnt fall... especially when the Bible tells us:

2Pt:3:17: Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

Mk:14:38: Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.


"My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:29

Look back at Romans 8:38...nor any other creature.

You are a creature..made by God. You cannot SEPARATE from your father..God


"He that believeth on the Son HATH EVERLASTING LIFE:.. ." John 3:36 NOW

"Who are KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." 1 Peter 1:5

"Now unto him that is able TO KEEP YOU from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," Jude 24

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby YE ARE SEALED unto the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30

". . .after that ye believed, YE WERE SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise," Ephesians 1:13

"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL. . . For by one offering he hath PERFECTED FOR EVER them that are sanctified." Hebrews 10:10,14


In Christ...James </font>[/QUOTE]Paul said nothing could separate him from God, meaning that as long as he kept His faith in God nothing could, that doesnt mean he hasnt the choice to turn away from God.

 

Where was Peter that he fell? Are you saying Peter was saved before this and then fell out of salvation?


Im not thinking that Peter fell out of salvation, he just fell into sin. Once you do that though you can fall and keep going and not come back to God.

Of course Peter did repent and come back to God though.


You said..

Sins are only rated by man. To murder is very bad in mans eyes, yet to God it is in the same area as lying. Also, the number of sins to man matters. If i sinned one time, to mankind I just slipped and they forgive fairly easy. If I sin over and over..i'm looked at as a dirty rotten no good for nothing sinner my man, yet to God both the one time sinner and the many time sinner are just sinners.

Who did God save..the rich youg ruler that kept the law..or was it Paul that killed believers?


Im not entirely sure about that ....isnt it in proverbs that it says God hates pride? If you have pride which is a basic thing, it will keep you from alot of things.

Lk:14:11: For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

If you have pride you cease to realize how dependent you are upon Jesus for everything. Without Him you can do nothing.

You said..

Again..for peter to be going down..step by step....where is the place above that he came from?

Not quite sure what you mean by that. But obviously if he got to the point where he could deny His Lord, he mustve fallen. Jesus said "if you deny Me I will deny you" which is pretty serious, right?

You said..

So you have no idea with your faith if Paul is in heaven?
How about John?
Mark?
David?

Well I dont believe the dead are in heaven but thats another topic.

I feel like its not my place to judge if someone went to heaven or not.


Your not really sure if anyone made it there..for they may have lost their salvation before they died..that is..in your faith.

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, (((nor any other creature))), SHALL BE ABLE TO SEPARATE US from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38

well Paul also said something about being a castaway

1Cor:9:27: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

..so I doubt he meant he couldnt fall... especially when the Bible tells us:

2Pt:3:17: Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

Mk:14:38: Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.


"My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:29

Look back at Romans 8:38...nor any other creature.

You are a creature..made by God. You cannot SEPARATE from your father..God


"He that believeth on the Son HATH EVERLASTING LIFE:.. ." John 3:36 NOW

"Who are KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." 1 Peter 1:5

"Now unto him that is able TO KEEP YOU from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," Jude 24

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby YE ARE SEALED unto the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30

". . .after that ye believed, YE WERE SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise," Ephesians 1:13

"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL. . . For by one offering he hath PERFECTED FOR EVER them that are sanctified." Hebrews 10:10,14


In Christ...James </font>[/QUOTE]Paul said nothing could separate him from God, meaning that as long as he kept His faith in God nothing could, that doesnt mean he hasnt the choice to turn away from God.

 

Where was Peter that he fell? Are you saying Peter was saved before this and then fell out of salvation?


Im not thinking that Peter fell out of salvation, he just fell into sin. Once you do that though you can fall and keep going and not come back to God.

Of course Peter did repent and come back to God though.


You said..

Sins are only rated by man. To murder is very bad in mans eyes, yet to God it is in the same area as lying. Also, the number of sins to man matters. If i sinned one time, to mankind I just slipped and they forgive fairly easy. If I sin over and over..i'm looked at as a dirty rotten no good for nothing sinner my man, yet to God both the one time sinner and the many time sinner are just sinners.

Who did God save..the rich youg ruler that kept the law..or was it Paul that killed believers?


Im not entirely sure about that ....isnt it in proverbs that it says God hates pride? If you have pride which is a basic thing, it will keep you from alot of things.

Lk:14:11: For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

If you have pride you cease to realize how dependent you are upon Jesus for everything. Without Him you can do nothing.

You said..

Again..for peter to be going down..step by step....where is the place above that he came from?

Not quite sure what you mean by that. But obviously if he got to the point where he could deny His Lord, he mustve fallen. Jesus said "if you deny Me I will deny you" which is pretty serious, right?

You said..

So you have no idea with your faith if Paul is in heaven?
How about John?
Mark?
David?

Well I dont believe the dead are in heaven but thats another topic.

I feel like its not my place to judge if someone went to heaven or not.


Your not really sure if anyone made it there..for they may have lost their salvation before they died..that is..in your faith.

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, (((nor any other creature))), SHALL BE ABLE TO SEPARATE US from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38

well Paul also said something about being a castaway

1Cor:9:27: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

..so I doubt he meant he couldnt fall... especially when the Bible tells us:

2Pt:3:17: Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

Mk:14:38: Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.


"My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:29

Look back at Romans 8:38...nor any other creature.

You are a creature..made by God. You cannot SEPARATE from your father..God


"He that believeth on the Son HATH EVERLASTING LIFE:.. ." John 3:36 NOW

"Who are KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." 1 Peter 1:5

"Now unto him that is able TO KEEP YOU from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," Jude 24

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby YE ARE SEALED unto the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30

". . .after that ye believed, YE WERE SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise," Ephesians 1:13

"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL. . . For by one offering he hath PERFECTED FOR EVER them that are sanctified." Hebrews 10:10,14


In Christ...James </font>[/QUOTE]Paul said nothing could separate him from God, meaning that as long as he kept His faith in God nothing could, that doesnt mean he hasnt the choice to turn away from God.

 

oh man, I better not post anything else, I cant believe it keeps doing it multiple times... plus I dont know how to do it right anyway it looks like, when you insert your remarks after each of their remarks...

 

James,
Instead of starting at Romans 8:38 you should start earlier than that.

If you read the previous verses before that it stipulates who exactly Paul is referring to... and that is those who are no longer walking in the flesh (carnal minded people who dont pay heed to the law of God)... but who are now instead walking in the spirit.


Romans 8:
1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


Here Jesus also tells us who wont be separated from the love of the Father:

Jn:14:21: He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


Claudia

 

See? I can do debatey-type stuff if I try real hard

 

Like someone posted in the jokes section:

Once shaved by grace, always shaved...

 

James,


I lost track of this thread or I wouldve answered back sooner!

Ok see what you think of this. Here is how I view these verses:


Romans 8:

2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3: For what the law could not do , in that it was weak through the flesh , God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


The "law of sin and death"... what does that mean?

Ezek:18:4: the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.


Like a cycle, like what Paul lamented about in Romans chapter 7. He wants to do right but cant. You sin, you die, you sin, you pay the penalty, over and over... that is the "Law of sin and death"...

Kind of like when we say the "law of gravity"... you drop something and this is what it's going to do...

SEE HERE? READ:

Rom:7:23: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members.

Well you see the LAW could not free us from that! The law can only point out sin to us, and thats all!

ok then we read two things:

"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

AND

"That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."


Ok the law of the spirit of life has made us free from the law of sin and death...this means it is our way out of this cycle of sin and death..

Galtians 5 answers to that one..

If we begin following the Holy Spirits leading we drop out of sin and begin to have the fruits of the Spirit being seen in our lives...

In other words we actually are no longer violating the Law anymore...thus, NOT UNDER that law of sin and death anymore! we break out of that cycle...


Galatians 5:
21: Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23: Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24: And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.


Allright, and now for the last part which now fits right into the whole picture very nicely with no effort!

"That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."


Claudia

[ May 05, 2006, 03:19 PM: Message edited by: Claudia_T ]

 

women all across America wish that were true when it comes to shaving their legs...

 

James,

I have to come back in a little bit to try and answer the other stuff you wrote


Claudia

 

Could someone please explain to me in simple language what "exegesis" means? I keep seeing that on this Baptist Board and I'd heard of it before but I really dont know what it means.

 

Gosh I was just looking and I guess I DO sometimes post 4 messages in a row... well I guess this is 5

 

its all hermaneutics (sp?)
exegesis according to Crossmovement Records:

 

Thanks Guys,

Now I think I understand a little more what exegesis means. So its not really any set "method" of interpreting a Bible passage, its more like just "ex-tracting" parts out of the whole to show that there is a definite pattern of thought.

At least I think thats what you all are saying.

...but there isnt any particular "formula" you go by.

I was just hoping maybe I could understand a little better how to do that, since with a whole lot of the conversations going on on this Message Board, I dont have a clue what everyone is talking about, but I wish that I could participate.

...especially the Sola Scriptura section and stuff like that where they are posting all this Church History and things like that.


Claudia