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The Primary Object of Worship, The Incarnate Son of God.

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  1. Iconoclast

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    Do these verses indicate the primary object of Worship is the Incarnate Jesus.

    Give a scriptural response to support your view.

    5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

    6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

    7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

    8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
     
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    Jesus is to be worshipped for being the fulfillment of all that was pointed to.
    Gen 3:15, Deut18:15,psalm89
    While salvation is the design of the trinity, It is Jesus taking part in our humanity that we are primarily directed to worship.
     
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    Agree!... And I will add this scripture... Brother Glen:)

    John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

    From the Old Testament through the New, the worship of Jesus The Christ, is what scriptures point to!
     
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    Yes Hebrews12
    2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

    It is His work in the Incarnation that is pointed to-

    Hebrews2;
    14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

    15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

    16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

    17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

    18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
     
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    First of all Hebrews 12:2 is engraved on my KJV and since the lock-up I am studying An Exposition Of Hebrews by A.W. Pink, I have the book and here is the PDF form, if you want to take a look... Excellent as far as I'm concerned,,, Brother Glen:)

    http://pastorshelper.com/awpink/dlawpink2012/An Exposition of Hebrews.pdf
     
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    Just threw it out there but I thought you might... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Pink was an intense person and came up with many ideas that would not occur to most because he was given over to scriptures. He progressed and even changed some of his views even after he had been in print for years which was refreshing to see.
     
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    5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

    7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

    8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

    10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

    11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
     
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    Revelation 4:9-11 9 And when the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, to Him who lives forever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders will fall down before Him who sits on the throne, and will worship Him who lives forever and ever, and will cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 “Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.” (emphasis mine)

    Hebrews 1:1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. (emphasis mine)

    The One (Jesus) whom the twenty-four elders worship is the same One who "who created all things".
     
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    The only way we can know God is Jesus Christ (it is only through Him we know the Father).

    This proves those who teach Christians, Jews, and Muslims worship the same God wrong.
     
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    There are many reasons to worship the Lord Jesus Christ.
    I am coming to value the work of the Servant of The Lord, in reference to the elect more and more.

    Fallen man once below the angels, are elevated by virtue of our Union with and adoption as sons to Our COVENANT HEAD;
    2 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

    2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

    3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

    4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

    5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

    6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him?

    7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

    8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

    9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

    10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

    11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

    12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

    13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

    14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

    15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

    16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

    17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

    18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

    Clearly it is union with the Covenant Son that now gives the Holy Nation
    Its identity, plan and purpose, and it's proper object of worship.
     
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    This truth was indirectly revealed in the Old Testament and has now been clearly revealed with the arrival of the New Covenant.
     
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    We are to worship God the Father thru the Lord Jesus in power of the Holy Spirit!
     
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    Yes...the Heavenly shadows were revealed and present I. The OT.
    They were incomplete without Jesus.
    In the incarnation He fully reveals what lies ahead jn3:11-13
     
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    I'm originally from Spartanburg South Carolina. Most of my family still lives there (and that's one reason I moved to SC).

    Years ago there was a respected pastor at Northside Baptist Church in Spartanburg who was known in the community. He moved on but when he passed away his last words were "The Scriptures explain themselves". :)
     
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    5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness,
    and the first begotten of the dead,
    and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    Redeemed sinners follow Him, He is the first begotten of the dead, This speaks of His work as the incarnate Son.
    His work results in the redeemed multitude offering worship to Him.
    It is how we can be spoken of as kings and priests unto God.

    John Gill;
    the first begotten of the dead: being the first that rose from the dead by his own power, and to an immortal life; for though some few were raised before him, yet not by themselves, nor to live for ever, but to die again. Moreover, he is the firstfruits of the resurrection, the pledge and earnest of it, as well as the efficient cause and exemplar of it. This character supposes that he died, as he did, for the sins of his people; and that he rose again from the dead, as he did, for their justification; and that he rose first as their head and representative, and opened the way of life for them. And he is described in his kingly office, for it follows,

    Coffmans commentary;
    The firstborn from the dead ... The New Testament records the resurrection of Dorcas, the daughter of Jairus, Eutychus, the widow's son at Nain, and that of Lazarus in addition to the resurrection of Christ. In addition, there were "many of the saints" who came out of their graves following the resurrection of Christ (seven resurrections). In what sense, then, is Christ the firstborn from the dead? He alone came back from death never to die again; and besides this, there is the inherent significance of his being the first of many to triumph over death. As Beckwith put it: "The language implies the future resurrection of the saints."[15]

    The ruler of the kings of the earth ... Christ is here spoken of as the possessor of all power and authority, fully in keeping with the Saviour's words, "All authority in heaven and upon earth has been given unto me" (Matthew 28:18). It should be noted that this authority belongs to Christ in the present time and perpetually. He is not planning to start ruling at some future time; he rules now! A great deal of the misunderstanding of this prophecy, as well as of the whole New Testament, derives from a failure to take account of this tremendous truth. Many have difficulty believing that Christ rules now; because, as they say, the world is in such a dreadful mess. However, the world was in a dreadful condition in the days of Nebuchadnezzar, who had to eat grass with the beasts of the field for seven years to learn that "The Most High rules in the kingdom of men" (Daniel 4:25). As for the reason why God's rule permits such atrocious wickedness on earth, it is clear enough that God permits it because it is in keeping with his purpose. The reign of Christ now in this present time will be more extensively treated under the "thousand years" interpretation (Revelation 20:2). There is no way in which this student of the Lord's word can accept such a declaration as that of Hal Lindsey, who wrote: "Even though Christ has the right to rule the earth, he isn't exercising this authority over kings and kingdoms at this time."[16] If Christ is not exercising his authority, how can the church receive his promise that Christ will be with us "even unto the end of the world" (Matthew 28:18-20)? Yes, despite the inability of some to see and recognize it, Christ is ruling now and will continue to rule until the last enemy is destroyed (1 Corinthians 15:25).

    Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible

    the first-begotten of the dead — (Colossians 1:18). Lazarus rose, to die again. Christ rose to die no more. The image is not as if the grave was the womb of His resurrection-birth [Alford]; but as Acts 13:33; Romans 1:4, treat Christ‘s resurrection as the epoch and event which fulfilled the Scripture, Psalm 2:7, “This day (at the resurrection) have I begotten Thee.” It was then that His divine Sonship as the God-man was manifested and openly attested by the Father. So our resurrection and our manifested sonship, or generation, are connected. Hence “regeneration” is used of the resurrection-state at the restitution of all things (Matthew 19:28).

    Robertsons commentary
    The first-born of the dead (ο πρωτοτοκος των νεκρων — ho prōtotokos tōn nekrōn). A Jewish Messianic title (Psalm 89:27) and as in Colossians 1:18 refers to priority in the resurrection to be followed by others. See Luke 2:7 for the word.


    Vincents word studies;
    The first-begotten of the dead ( ὁ πρωτότοκος ἐκ τῶν νεκρῶν )

    Rev., the first-born. The best texts omit ἐκ fromCompare Colossians 1:18. The risen Christ regarded in His relation to the dead in Christ. He was not the first who rose from the dead, but the first who so rose that death was thenceforth impossible for Him (Romans 6:9); rose with that resurrection-life in which He will finally bring with Him those who sleep in Him (1 Thessalonians 4:14). Some interpreters, rendering first-born, find in the phrase the metaphor of death as the womb which bare Him (see on Acts 2:24). Others, holding by the rendering first-begotten, connect the passage with Psalm 2:7, which by Paul is connected with the resurrection of Christ (Acts 13:32, Acts 13:33). Paul also says that Jesus “was declared to be the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead” (Romans 1:4). The verb τίκτω which is one of the components of πρωτότοκος first-begottenor born, is everywhere in the New Testament used in the sense of to bear or to bring forth, and has nowhere the meaning beget, unless James 1:15be an exception, on which see note. In classical Greek the meaning beget is common.
     
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    8 But to the Son He says:

    “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
    A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
    9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
    Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
    With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

    10 And:

    “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
    And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
    11 They will perish, but You remain;
    And they will all grow old like a garment;
    12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,
    And they will be changed.
    But You are the same,
    And Your years will not fail.”

    13 But to which of the angels has He ever said:

    “Sit at My right hand,
    Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?

    14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?


    The writer of Hebrews pulls from the Psalms depicting Jesus as God the Creator, and The Priest-King that was to come.
     
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