The New Testament Reason for Honouring the Sabbath

woah - this is the third time i've seen this in the last 5 minutes! it's like deja vu all over again! lol.

you know why i believe the seventh day is the sabbath? hmm? BECAUSE THE WORD OF GOD SAYS SO.

 

huh???


Every time I try to read Gerhard's posts, I come away wondering what he's talking about.

Most every time, I cant understand the point he is trying to make.

Is it just me?

I never know whether he is for or against something. Or exactly what it is he is trying to say.

Then if I ask, I STILL dont know what

Claudia

 

nevermind... I wrote something here but deciding it wasnt even worth trying to say ..

 

Well I guess I will try.

Gerhard brought up a statement by Ellen White which in reality had to do with the fact that AT Jones and EG Waggoner were bringing in special messages of Righteousness by Faith alone in the merits of Christ into our church but some of the brethren were trying to block the messages being preached. Here is what she actually said:

Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, March 11, 1890,
"You will meet with those who will say, "You are too much excited over this matter. You are too much in earnest. You should not be reaching for the righteousness of Christ, and making so much of that. You should preach the law." As a people, we have preached the law until we are as dry as the hills of Gilboa that had neither dew nor rain. We must preach Christ in the law, and there will be sap and nourishment in the preaching that will be as food to the famishing flock of God. We must not trust in our own merits at all, but in the merits of Jesus of Nazareth. Our eyes must be anointed with eye-salve. We must draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to us, if we come in his own appointed way. O that you may go forth as the disciples did after the day of Pentecost, and then your testimony will have a living ring, and souls will be converted to God."

It has absolutely nothing to do with whatever Gerhard is trying to do.

However, there is a sermon called "Creation or Evolution" by AT Jones which I really always found interesting... it is about one of the reasons we SHOULD be keeping the Sabbath... I love the writings of Jones and Waggoner, personally.

(I hope I am doing this right)

Here are a couple of paragraphs from the sermon and then I will put a link where anyone who wants to read the rest of it can do that:

"Evolution is thus almost synonymous with progress. It is a transition from the lower to the higher, from the worse to the better. Thus progress points to an increased value in existence, as judged by our feelings."

Now notice the particular points in these three sentences: evolution represents the course of the world as a gradual transition from the lower to the higher, from the worse to the better; and assumes that this process is immanent in the world itself thus to be transformed. That is to say, the thing gets better of itself; and that which causes it to get better is itself. And this progress marks "an increased value in existence, as judged by our feelings." That is to say, you know you are better, because you feel better. You know there has been progress, because you feel it. Your feelings regulate your standing. Your knowledge of your feelings regulates your progress from worse to better.

Now in this matter of progress from worse to better, have your feelings anything to do with it? If they have, what are you? Every one here this afternoon who measures his progress, the value of his experience, by his feelings, is an evolutionist: I care not if he has been a Seventh-day Adventist for forty years, he is an evolutionist just the same. And all his Christianity, all his religion, is a mere profession without the fact, simply a form without the power." Portion of Sermon from A.T. Jones, Creation or Evolution?

(Read the remainder of his talk here)
Creation or Evolution? by A.T. Jones


Claudia

 

There is a lot to be said for that -- but then.. you're not a Calvinist.

In Christ,

Bob

 

#1. Define what "you" mean by legalism instead of just accusing others.

#2. If legalism is "Christ said it so do it as in John 14:15" like WE have been posting then you have one or two NON-SDAS also pretty interested in the Word of God!! What will you do with them?

Hint" they may not be Calvinists.

In Christ,

Bob

 

G.E -- Your "revised definition" of "legalism" appears to be "Failure to ADD G.E explanations for Sabbath keeping to what you ALREADY find inscripture".

How you can imagine that only SDAs fall into that group is a mystery. We have Seventh-day Baptists here, Messianic Jews and others that all would fall into that group of "non G.E speaking Sabbath Keepers".

How in the world can you spin this as "an SDA problem"???

In Christ,

Bob

 

BTW - I don't think I ever saw the kind of Calvinist that you are - 5 points?

 

The LAW is God's Word. "My reason to honoring Sabbath is God's WORD instructs Me to do it" is not a sign of legalism. Te NT authors REPEATEDLY call the saints to obedience to God's Word. If you are willing to denounce all the saints that do that - your are truly forging your own path here G.E.

Hint: the SDA doctrinal statement precludes Calvinism so only the truly unniformed ones would even think to go that direction.

My point above was that there are quite a lot of non-SDA Sabbath keepers posted here that are NOT Calvinists - so they are inclined to do what God's Word says as well. Do you denounce them all??