The Millennium 1,000-year period

Claudia_T · May 17, 2006

The Millennium 1,000-year period

What starts off this 1,000 period?

Rev. 20:4: These came to life again and lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

A resurrection begins the 1,000-year period.

What is this resurrection called and who will be raised in it?

Rev. 20:
This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection

It is called the first resurrection. It will be the righteous people, “the blessed and holy” of all ages-- who are raised in it.

There is another resurrection. What is this second resurrection and who will be raised in it?

Rev. 20:5: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

These are the wicked and they live not again until the 1,000-year period is finished.

John 5:28,29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

This second resurrection is called the resurrection of damnation. It takes place at the close of the 1,000-year period.

And so the resurrection of the righteous begins the 1,000-year period and the resurrection of the wicked ends the 1,000 years.

Now can everyone agree on this basic starting point?

J. Jump · May 17, 2006

No becuase in reading your post you are equating the "these came to life" with all born again believers being raised at this time, but that's not what the text says. The verse tells you who is raised at this time and it is those that are martyred during the tribulation and those that died without worshiping the beast.

The church has already be taken out by this time.

Claudia_T · May 17, 2006

JJ,

Please give us the Scriptures for all of the things you ae saying so we can look at them, ok?

also, the Bible says THE REST OF THE DEAD...
Rev. 20:5: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
they arent coming back to life till the 1,000 period is over.

and so you are saying then that the "rest of the" righteous wont be resurrected until the 1,000 years are over? and you ae saying there are THREE resurrections?

tragic_pizza · May 17, 2006

I can't agree or disagree. I am not entirely certain the eschatology should be futurist. I don't know that, if it is futurist, the 1,000 years is a literal or metaphorical division of time.

mman · May 17, 2006

Originally posted by Claudia_T:
John 5:28,29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
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This passage thoroughly negates the “two resurrections” theory. It is hardly possible to conceive a plainer statement of the simultaneousness of the resurrection of both classes, good and evil.

Acts 24:15, "a hope in God, which these men themselves accept, that there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust."

There is "a" resurrection "of" (not for) both the just and the unjust.

In 1 Corinthians 15:23, Paul speaks of the “coming” of Christ. Notice he says, “Then cometh the end . . .” (24), in reference to the coming of Christ. His returning is not the beginning, but the end of earthly affairs. The adverb “then” (eita) means (immediately) in Mark 4:17.

The symbolic language of the book of Revelation (20:1-6) must be conformed and brought into harmony with the plain literal New Testament declarations of the coming of Christ, the resurrection and the judgment. On the contrary, it most definitely is not a sound hermeneutical principle to force numerous clear verses into harmony with a solitary symbolic reference.

J. Jump · May 17, 2006

Cluadia I told you look at the same verse that you are talking about in Revelation 20. It tells you exactly who is raised. Here it is:

Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

The bold part is what the "they" is referring to.

As far as the rapture is concerned just Google rapture of the church and you can find more reading material than you care to look at

You can also see the Rapture, because the church is dealt with in the opening chapters of Revelation before the tribulation judgments are even started.

You can also see this picture in the OT in Enoch and his being taken out alive before the flood, which is a picture of the coming tribulation in which Noah and his family (picture of the nation of Israel) will be saved through. Not all Jews will be saved, but the nation itself will be saved.

There are others, but that's just a couple.

FriendofSpurgeon · May 17, 2006

Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
I can't agree or disagree. I am not entirely certain the eschatology should be futurist. I don't know that, if it is futurist, the 1,000 years is a literal or metaphorical division of time.
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Agree. By the way, which are the 1000 hills where He owns the cattle?

Claudia_T · May 17, 2006

Originally posted by J. Jump:
Cluadia I told you look at the same verse that you are talking about in Revelation 20. It tells you exactly who is raised. Here it is:

Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

The bold part is what the "they" is referring to.

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Thats great, they are some of the dead... those who were beheaded... but that doesnt mean they arent resurrected with the rest of the righteous at the same time.

who are the ones that "are alive and remain"?

and who are the dead...

I Thessalonians 4

13: But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14: For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15: For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord SHALL NOT PREVENT them which are asleep.
16: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18: Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

"shall not prevent" means they will not be resurrected before or go to heaven before

tragic_pizza · May 17, 2006

Originally posted by FriendofSpurgeon:
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I can't agree or disagree. I am not entirely certain the eschatology should be futurist. I don't know that, if it is futurist, the 1,000 years is a literal or metaphorical division of time.
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Agree. By the way, which are the 1000 hills where He owns the cattle? </font>[/QUOTE]Use of hyperbole in Scripture, while sparing, is beautiful. "I suppose the whole world could not hold the books" if John had written all that Jesus did. You get the idea.

J. Jump · May 17, 2006

Thats great, they are some of the dead... those who were beheaded... but that doesnt mean they arent resurrected with the rest of the righteous at the same time.

who are the ones that "are alive and remain"?

and who are the dead...
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Now you are comparing two different passages of Scripture and trying to make them talk about the same event.

These are two separate events.
Revelation 20:4 tells you exactly who is raised at that point. Only the martyred and those that didn't worship the beast, nor take his mark are in view in Revelation 20:4.

Your I Thessalonians 4 reference is a reference to the rapture of the church and the resurrection of the Christians that have died.

Ed Edwards · May 18, 2006

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Originally posted by Claudia_T:
John 5:28,29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming,
in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
And shall come forth; they that have done good,
unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil,
unto the resurrection of damnation."
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MMan: //This passage thoroughly negates the “two resurrections” theory.
It is hardly possible to conceive a plainer statement
of the simultaneousness of the resurrection of both classes,
good and evil.//

Unfortunately, you have no reason to be tearing Revelation 20
out of your Bible. Revelation 20 is clear:

1. First Resurrection of the Just
2. 1,000 years pass
3. Second Resurrection of the Unjust

No other scripture can me made (as you have done) to
contradict. In fact, the scripture Sister Claudia_T
quotes does NOT contradict the Two Resurrection Doctrine.

Here, as in all prophetic Bible passages,
the term 'hour' means - the appropriate time.
Here hour = 1,000 years, not impossible in
the household economy (AKA: dispensation) of God.
Also, 'day' means 'the appropriate time.

So, Yes, the two resurrections are 1,000 years apart,
but they occur in the same 'hour'.

Claudia_T · May 18, 2006

Ed,

Thank you..

People need to look at the different verses about the resurrections, compare scripture with scripture and let them all have their proper weight in determining what they mean, without just ignoring any of them. And this is just what you have done.

Claudia

Ed Edwards · May 18, 2006

Thank you Sister Claudia_T.

I've been a student of prophecys of the
Bible mostly since 1968 (38 years).
But I was saved in 1952 in a
Southern Baptist Church by an END TIMES
evangelist.

Yes, I've read the SDA literature
{and some how ended up with a copy
of THE GREAT CONTROVERSY from Grandpa
Edd (with two 'd's) }

THE GREAT CONTROVERSY (Reveiw and Herald Publishing Assn, 1907) by Mrs. E.G. White
is clasic SDA literature. Yes, I went to
an SDA revival in like 1972.

But I know something that Ms. White never
knew: In 1964 people on earth accomplished
the capabililty to do worse than the
plagues and woes of the Revelation.
Before that time I considered that the
warnings of the Bible especially that great
tribulation time would be God getting
even with the Bad Guys.
Now i can see that the tribualtion time
is God having to intervene in the affaris
of man to keep mankind from destroying
themselves.

Claudia_T · May 18, 2006

Ed,

Edd with 2 ds? Now thats the first time I have ever heard that one

Many Christians are afraid to study into Bible Prophecy, because they think that we were not meant to understand it and that we CANNOT understand.

BUT the Book of Daniel says in the time of the end we would be able to understand...

Dan:8:17: So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

Daniel 12:4: But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Hopefully by the time we are done with this study everybody will be able to understand that according to Bible Prophecy we are indeed in "The Time of the End" now and have been for quite a while now.

AND in the Book of Revelation, the whole thing starts out with these words "Blessed is he who READS, HEARS AND KEEPS the things that are written in this book:

Revelation 1:
1: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3: Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

And so obviously we were meant to understand it.

I will come back later today hopefully and add a little more to this conversation about the Millennium and we can talk about it some more together.

Im hoping to be able to go through it one idea at a time... and maybe we can all be able to agree at least on some things or at the very least get us all thinking about this subject

mman · May 18, 2006

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
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Originally posted by Claudia_T:
John 5:28,29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming,
in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
And shall come forth; they that have done good,
unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil,
unto the resurrection of damnation."
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MMan: //This passage thoroughly negates the “two resurrections” theory.
It is hardly possible to conceive a plainer statement
of the simultaneousness of the resurrection of both classes,
good and evil.//

Unfortunately, you have no reason to be tearing Revelation 20
out of your Bible. Revelation 20 is clear:

1. First Resurrection of the Just
2. 1,000 years pass
3. Second Resurrection of the Unjust

No other scripture can me made (as you have done) to
contradict. In fact, the scripture Sister Claudia_T
quotes does NOT contradict the Two Resurrection Doctrine.

Here, as in all prophetic Bible passages,
the term 'hour' means - the appropriate time.
Here hour = 1,000 years, not impossible in
the household economy (AKA: dispensation) of God.
Also, 'day' means 'the appropriate time.

So, Yes, the two resurrections are 1,000 years apart,
but they occur in the same 'hour'.
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That's some mental gymnastics that you are doing, i.e., the same hour but 1000 years apart???

You are letting symbolic language intrepret plain language. You are right, they don't contradict, but let the plain, non-symbolic language help you understand the symbolic language.

Under your philosophy, if you die and you are not beheaded, you don't stand a chance.

Clearly, you are forcing your position on scripture.

Rev 20:1-6 reveals the following symbols: a key, a chain, a dragon or serpent, an abyss, a thousand years, thrones, a beast, marks on foreheads and hands, and a resurrection.

It is certainly a strange interpretation which contends that a figurative serpent was bound with a figurative chain and thrown into a figurative abyss which was locked with a figurative lock that had a figurative key, to be confined for a literal thousand years!

Furthermore, these are omitted from this passage:

Christ’s second coming;
the establishment of a kingdom;
an earthly regime;
a bodily reigning;
the throne of David; or
the Jews being regathered to Palestine.

All of these elements are vitally important to the millennial view, yet they are conspicuously absent from this narrative!

Noted scholar Charles Hodge wrote:

“It is a sound rule in the interpretation of Scripture that obscure passages should be so explained as to make them agree with those that are plain. It is unreasonable to make the symbolic and figurative language of prophecy and poetry the rule by which to explain the simple didactic prose language of the Bible. It is no less unreasonable that a multitude of passages should be taken out of their natural sense to make them accord with a single passage of doubtful import” (Systematic Theology, London: James Clarke & Co., III, p. 842).

Eliyahu · May 18, 2006

Originally posted by Claudia_T:

Rev. 20:5: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

These are the wicked and they live not again until the 1,000-year period is finished.

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Claudia,

How could you conclude that 20:5 are all wicked people?

Please note the people in 20:4 are limited to :

1) 144,000 saints or the people who are tobe raptured.
2) Martyrs beheaded
3) Saints who refused the beast and Idol
4) The believers who are still alive at the time of second coming of Jesus.

The people who are omitted but still believers are:

1) Common believers before the tribulation
2) Believers who died during the tribulation
3) who yielded to the whorish Idol worshipping and to Beast

These may be billions of believers, but they didn't get the better resurrection ( Women received their dead... better resurrection : Heb 11:35)

We refer to 1 Cor 15:20-27 as well.

Here are the importance of our faith-keeping.

If some group of the believers can participate in the new millenium while the other group cannot, will it be very much interesting to know what would be the criteria for such distinction or discrimination?

I expect there will be Super-Pope for the whole religions of the world and the World-President for the whole world in the future, any believers who do not participate the World Unified Church will be condemned as Heretics and the struggle will start then.

But what I foresee is that hundreds of millions of true believers are coming out of the Great Tribulation. I don't see that many true believers these days. But the Tribulation will train the believers to become so strong in their faith. In other words, that is the victory of the Lord and His followers. They will participate in the New Millenium.

Even among the Born-Again Believers, there are many who are sympathetic to Idol worshipping, or partly agreeing the Ecumenical movement or Pluralism, as we can see the Pro-Easter people. Unfortunately, they will not enjoy the privilege of the New Millenium. I can imagine the various privileges of the New Millenium, but that is just personal imagination. You can think about your own.

Eliyahu · May 18, 2006

In that case there will be good contrast:

Jesus Christ *** vs **** Beast, False Prophet
Second Coming **** vs**** Thrown into the lake of fire

Those Saints and Martyrs will join New Millenium
These will be the Special Saints (maybe 144,000), Martyrs, Raptured Key Witnesses, Surviving Believers at the time of Second Coming ( hundreds of millions as per Rev 7)

The Hades will vomit out the dead after 1000 years ( 20:12-14) - this is the second resurrection, which will bring out the Believers and Unbelievers.
Unbelievers will be cast into the Lake of Fire.
The Believers whose names are recorded in the book of life will participate in the new Heaven and new Earth. They will enter the Kingdom of God, but their reward will be far less than those who are coming out of New Millenium

Claudia_T · May 18, 2006

Eliyahu:

Read this outloud to yourself a couple of times and I bet you will get it! (seriously)... dont have any preconceived opinions when you do... just read it outloud.

Revelation 20:
4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

It is saying about those who dont receive the mark of the beast then it skips over to telling you what happens to the rest of the dead... (meaning the wicked) and then goes back to telling you that what this is (those who get the victory over the beast) are those who are in the first resurrection.

Claudia_T · May 18, 2006

Okay let's move on now. There are two Resurrections. The second Resurrection involves THE WICKED..

This happens AFTER the 1,000-year period is finished.

Revelation 20:5: But the rest of the dead [the wicked} lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

John 5:28,29
28: Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29: And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Like I aid, the Resurrection of the righteous starts the 1,000 year period and the Resurrection of the wicked ends the 1,000 year period.

When the 1,000 years start we have first the second coming of Christ...

I Thessalonians 4:
16: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

There will be terrific hailstorms and earthquake
Revelation 16:18,20,21

18: And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
20: And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21: And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

See also Isaiah chapter 2 and 24, and Jeremiah 4:23-26

But the wicked who are LIVING when Jesus comes will be destroy by the brightness of His coming..

2Thess. 1:7,8
7: And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8: In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ

Psalm 68:2;
so let the wicked perish at the presence of God.

THE CONDITION OF THE EARTH DURING THE 1,000-year period is UTTER DEVASTATION!!!

Nobody is going to be able to repent at this time, as is commonly taught... Too late for that!

Jeremiah 25:33
33: And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

Jeremiah 4:25
25: I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

No more probationary time left, every case is decided...

Revelation 22:11,12
11: He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12: And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

The wicked dead will be lying all over the place on the earth and the righteous will be in heaven.

There will be a Judgment in Heaven going on during the 1,000 year period.

Satan will be "bound" on the earth during the 1,000 year period. He will have nobody left to tempt and thus the term "bound"... He will have lots of time to think about what he has done.

Revelation 20:1-3
1: And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2: And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3: And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

During this Judgment that is going on in Heaven for the 1,000 year period, God's people will get the chance to ask questions about why so and so was saved or lost.

I Corinthians 6:2,3
2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3: Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Revelation 20:4

4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

During this time, God's justice will be vindicated. All will see that He has been fair with humanity in His handling of the conrovery between God and Satan... from start to finish.

We will see why people were shut out of heaven and we will know God's ways are just and true.

Claudia_T · May 18, 2006

"I need to add that this is where the "scapegoat" comes in. It is often very misunderstood.

The scapegoat is SATAN... not Christ. Jesus is the lamb that is sacrificed for sin but Satan is the scapegoat.

In the sanctuary services the high priest after making atonement for sins would come out and bles the people. He removes the sins of the people from the sanctuary and he confesses them upon the head of the scapegoat.

This is because ULTIMATELY, Jesus will place all the RESPONSIBILITY of sin upon SATAN. Satan was in instigator of this entire rebellion against God. This in no way means that he bears the sins of the people as in is the sacrifice for sin... NO.

The scape-goat, bearing the sins of Israel, was sent away "unto a land not inhabited;"[6 LEV. 16:22.] just as Satan will bear the final GUILT of all the sins which he has caused God's people to commit by tempting them and deceiving them.

Then, for a thousand years Satan will be confined to earth which will be DESOLATE with no inhabitants "unto a land not inhabited;"[6 LEV. 16:22.](and thus the term "bound" with nobody left to tempt)

He will suffer the final PENALTY of sin and be destroyed, along with the wicked in the fires of Hell.

This will be the final eradication of sin.

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