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What is "Death"??

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Derf B, Jun 24, 2020.

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  1. timtofly

    timtofly Well-Known Member

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    What verse in Scripture says Jesus won a fight over the body being corrupted? Physical death is just that. If Jesus won, how do we still die physically? Physical death was not changed. But in dying we no longer are dead. That is the victory.

    You claim that Peter's words hold the truth, and all other Scripture is proven to be a lie.

    David is currently in Paradise because all Scripture points to that fact. Peter does not deny that fact. Peter's claim was it did not happen to David at David’s death. The fact that it happened at Jesus own death and resurrection had not been fully understood at the time Peter spoke. This is the point that seems to be purposely overlooked. The Holy Spirit gives us the power, but even in that Power, a human can say things that are not exactly true. Peter was not without sin nor a perfect human without fault. His words were not white washed over, nor explained away. But to say the Holy Spirit purposely contradicted multiple passages that state otherwise, is not a very wise or safe interpretation of God's Word. It is a known point that Peter did speak without thinking as well as speaking truth without thinking. To be able to discern the difference is a plus. Peter had a complex ministry and at points spoke thoughts that were not from God but from Satan. Mark 8:31-33

    31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
    32 And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
    33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

    This was right after Peter confessed who Jesus was. Mark 8:29-30

    29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.
    30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.

    Matthew 16:17 says

    17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

    So at the same time Peter had direct thoughts from God, he also had to work on avoiding thoughts from Satan. That is why you cannot just take a few verses to prove a point. You have to compare Scripture with Scripture.

    Yes, David’s tomb was still there. Yes, Peter quoted David to make a point about Jesus Christ. No, Peter was not saying David never ascended. At the moment Peter said those words, Peter may not have even known about the resurrection of the OT saints. We do not know one way or the other. Not knowing things about Peter has led to multiple false doctrines and theology. That is why taking verses out of context to prove a point, will lead to wrong conclusions.
     
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    If there’s so much we don’t know about, Peter, maybe he lied on purpose about David, since you already said Peter was wrong about him. But you throw a shadow on the whole New Testament. How much is trustworthy, and how much needs to be ignored?
     
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    I did not. Still a negative interpretation of Scripture. If you ignore 7 verses to prove 1 verse, who is ignoring more by their own choice? People ignore most of the Bible to prove their pet doctrine and theology.
     
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    You should know.


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