A Complaint About A Lack of Logic

A rock is dead.

That's not making fun of anyone, is it?

 

Define this: 3. The Decrees of Rejection, of Some Angels, and of Some Men. - ! Aware of the Godhead Master Index of Portfolio

"I make use of the word "rejection" in this article, partly because it is a scriptural phrase and ascribed to God, and partly because it is that act of God which gives the name of reprobate to any; and is the foundation of that character, "reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them", (Jer 6:30) and stands opposed to election, (1 Sam. 15:26, 10:24)..."

1. The rejection of some of the angels, which consists of two parts:

1a. A non-election, or preterition of them, a passing over them or passing by them, when others were chosen; and which may be concluded from the choice of others; for if some were elect, others must be non-elect; if some were chosen, others were not; if some were taken, others must be passed by and left: that some of them are elect is certain, they are expressly called "elect angels", (1 Tim. 5:21) and consequently are distinguished from others who are not elected; or otherwise the title and character of "elect" must be insignificant and impertinent.

1b. The appointment of them to wrath and damnation; in this they were viewed as sinful, fallen creatures; this decree is meant by their being "reserved in everlasting chains under darkness, unto the judgment of the great day", (Jude 1:6; 2 Peter 2:4) for by chains are meant the purposes and decrees of God, by which they are bound and held fast, and from which they cannot loose themselves; and as the decrees of God are called "mountains of brass", (Zech. 6:1)

...con't

 

2. The decree concerning the rejection of some of the sons of men. It may be observed, that we can hear and read of the non-election and rejection of angels, and of their preordination to condemnation and wrath, with very little emotion of mind: the devils may be cast down to hell, to be everlastingly damned, and be appointed thereunto, and it gives no great concern;

2a. First, I shall prove that there is a non-election, or rejection of some of the sons of men, when others were chosen; and, indeed, from the election of some, may fairly be inferred, the non-election of others. Common sense tells us, that of persons or things, if some are chosen, others must be left: if there is a remnant of the sons of men, according to the election of grace, then there are others not included in it, which are left unchosen, and are called the rest. "The election", that is, elect men, "hath obtained it", righteousness and eternal life; "and the rest were blinded" (Rom. 11:5, 7). Our Lord says, "I speak not of you all; I know whom I have chosen", (John 13:18) plainly intimating, that all were not chosen, and it is certain one was not, and whom he calls "the son of perdition"; one, not only deserving of it, but appointed to it; for though chosen to an office, as an apostle, yet not to grace and glory, (John 17:12) and how many such there be, no man can pretend to say; but it is evident there are some, and who are generally described by negative characters; as not known by God and Christ; the elect are God's people, whom he knows; they are elect, according to his foreknowledge; which carries in it love and affection to them; but of others Christ says, "I never knew you"; he knew them by his omniscience, but not with such knowledge as he knows the elect of God; he never knew them as the objects of his Father's love, and his own; he never knew them as the objects of his Father's choice, and his own; he never knew them in the gift of his Father to him, (Matthew 7:23) hence they are represented as "not" loved, which is meant by being hated: "Esau have I hated"; that is, had not loved him, as he had Jacob;

2b. Secondly, The parts of this decree, concerning the rejection of men, are commonly said to be preterition and pre-damnation.

2b1. Prov..eterition is God's passing by some men, when he chose others: and in this act, or part of the decree, men are considered as in the pure mass of creatureship, or creability; in which state they are found, when passed by or rejected, and in which they are left, even just as they are found, nothing put into them; but were left in the pure mass, as they lay, and so no injury done them; nor is God to be charged with any injustice towards them: in this act sin comes not into consideration, as it does in a following one; for in this men are considered as not created, and so not fallen; but as unborn, and having done neither good nor evil (Rom. 9:11).

2b2. Pre-damnation is God's appointment, or preordination of men to condemnation for sin; and is what is spoken of in Jude 1:4. "There are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation"; and who are described by the following characters, "ungodly men, turning the grace of God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and, or even our Lord Jesus Christ"; which, when observed, is sufficient to clear this decree of God from the charge of cruelty and injustice: and this, by some, is called, positive reprobation. The word krima, translated "condemnation", in the above quoted text, some render "judgment", and interpret it of judicial blindness and hardness of heart; which appeared in the persons embracing and spreading false and pernicious doctrines spoken of; and this is, indeed, what they are foreordained, or appointed to, as a punishment of former sins; for this hardness, &c. presupposes former sins, and an obstinate continued course in them; either against the light and law of nature, which they like not to walk according to, and therefore God gives them up, pursuant to his decree, to a reprobate mind, to do things not convenient, (Rom. 1:24, 28) or against divine revelation, precepts, counsels, and admonitions, like Israel of old, hearkening not to the voice of the Lord, in his word, nor paying any regard to his instructions; and therefore he gives them up, as he determined to do, to their own hearts' lusts, and to walk in their own counsels, (Ps. 81:11, 12) and this is the sense of the word in John 9:39. God hardens some mens' hearts, as he did Pharaoh's, and he wills to harden them, or he hardens them according to his decreeing will; "Whom he will he hardeneth", (Rom. 9:18) this he does not by any positive act, by infusing hardness and blindness into the hearts of men; which is contrary to his purity and holiness, and would make him the author of sin; but by leaving men to their natural blindness and hardness of heart; for the understanding is naturally darkened; and there is a natural blindness, hardness, and callousness of heart, through the corruption of nature, and which is increased by habits of sinning; men are in darkness, and choose to walk in it; and therefore God, as he decreed, gives them up to their own wills and desires, and to Satan, the god of the world, they choose to follow, and to be led captive by, who blinds their minds yet more and more, lest light should break in unto them, (Eph. 4:18; Ps. 82:5; 2 Cor. 4:4) and also God may be said to harden and blind, by denying them that grace which can only cure them of their hardness and blindness, and which he, of his free favour, gives to his chosen ones, (Ezek. 36:26, 27) but is not obliged to give it to any; and because he gives it not, he is said to hide, as he determined to hide, the things of his grace from the wise and prudent, even because it so seemed good in his sight, (Matthew 11:25, 26). Hence this blindness, hardness, insensibility, and stupidity, are represented as following upon non-election; not as the immediate effect of it, but as consequences of it; and such as neither judgments nor mercies can remove; and bring persons to a right sense of sin, and repentance for it (Rom. 11:7-10).

The sin and fall of Adam having brought him into a state of infidelity, in which God has concluded him: and he does not think fit to give to every man that grace which can only cure him of his unbelief, and without which, and unless almighty power and grace go along with the means they have, they cannot believe; whereby the decrees, predictions, and declarations of God are fulfilled in them, (John 12:37-40) yea, as Christ is said to be set, or appointed, "for the fall of many in Israel", (Luke 2:34) so many are appointed to stumble at the Word, at him, the Stone of stumbling, and Rock of offence, being children of disobedience, and left as such; when, to those who are a chosen generation, he is a precious cornerstone, and they believe in him, and are saved by him, (1 Peter 2:7-9) hence we read of some, who, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved, to them are sent by God strong delusions, and they are given up to believe a lie, that they might be damned; not that God infuses any delusion or deceit into them, but because of their disbelief of, and disrespect to him and his Word, he suffers their corruptions to break forth and prevail, not giving restraining grace to them; so that they become a prey to them that lie in wait to deceive; and being easy and credulous, they believe lies spoken in hypocrisy; which issue in their damnation; while others, beloved of the Lord, and chosen from the beginning to salvation, obtain the glory of Christ (2 Thess. 2:10-14). But though all this is a most certain truth, and is contained in the decree we are speaking of, yet condemnation, or everlasting punishment, seems to be meant in the passage quoted; or, however, this is what some men are foreordained unto.

 

Nolte: Draft DNC Platform Declares Whites Too Rich, Privileged, and Evil

Nolte: Draft DNC Platform Declares White Americans Too Rich, Too Privileged, and Too Evil.

The Democrat National Committee draft platform for its 2020 convention mentions “whites” a total of 15 times, each of them within a “damning” context — a detail first noticed by the Washington Examiner’s Paul Bedard.

“In more than 80 pages in the draft platform published by Politico, whites are mentioned 15 times, all critical, including three references to white supremacy or supremacists and one to white nationalists,” Bedard writes.

Unbelievers are all over.

Dems and all others in blindness Must Be Born Again.

"The sin and fall of Adam having brought him into a state of infidelity, in which God has concluded him: and he does not think fit to give to every man that grace which can only cure him of his unbelief, and without which, and unless almighty power and grace go along with the means they have, they cannot believe;

",,,,whereby the decrees, predictions, and declarations of God are fulfilled in them, (John 12:37-40) yea, as Christ is said to be set, or appointed, "for the fall of many in Israel", (Luke 2:34) so many are appointed to stumble at the Word, at him, the Stone of stumbling, and Rock of offence, being children of disobedience, and left as such;

"...when, to those who are a chosen generation, he is a precious cornerstone, and they believe in him, and are saved by him, (1 Peter 2:7-9) hence we read of some, who, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved, to them are sent by God strong delusions, and they are given up to believe a lie, that they might be damned;

REPENT of your sins and Believe The Gospel of Jesus Christ.

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All God would have to do is leave them in the Natural depraved state, in whuich they were born.

He Could Have Done the SAME TO US ALL.

All of mankind could have and would have SUFFERED IN THE LAKE of FIRE, FOREVER,

...if God Had not CHOSEN some,

AND The Son AGREEING TO SUFFER PUNISHMENT and RISE AGAIN, for their sins,

AND The Holy Spirit Coming to that soul in Preaching The Word, and Bringing CONVICTION of their Depravity, REPENTANCE of their Depravity, and FAITH in JEUS CHRIST as their GLORIFIED SAVIOUR AND MEDIATOR.

New Birth is: a degenerated, i.e., 'UN-generated', thus, 'dead' soul, being GENERATED to EVERLASTING LIFE, PARTAKING OF THE DIVINE NATURE.

Dark to what?

Blindness to what?

Dead to what?

Quickened to what?

New Born to what?

Spirit.

The Spirit of God is a Component in The Bible

..and not Extra-Biblical fish wrap.

 

O.K, sorry,

.....by quoting this, I am, actually, Making of Fun of Someone, now.

 

This Extra-Biblical crap is really wonderful.

Strong work.

....
However, in the Real Holy Bible, this portion of I Corinthians 6:19, is included to mean something.

...."your body is the temple"...

Who is the passage speaking to?

Well, all of the rest of the passage answers that question, asked by logical, simple if you think about it Wizards of Smart.

What? "know ye ( = to SAVED APOSTLES and saints, at Corinth, and which applies to all Saved souls

... not that your body ( = to SAVED APOSTLES and saints, at Corinth, and which applies to all Saved souls

... is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, ( = to SAVED APOSTLES and saints, at Corinth, and which applies to all Saved souls

...which ye ( to SAVED APOSTLES and saints, at Corinth, and which applies to all Saved souls have of God,

and ye ( to SAVED APOSTLES and saints, at Corinth, and which applies to all Saved souls are

not your ( to SAVED APOSTLES and saints, at Corinth, and which applies to all Saved souls own?

20 For ye ( to SAVED APOSTLES and saints, at Corinth, and which applies to all Saved souls are bought with a price:

therefore glorify God in your body, and in your ( to SAVED APOSTLES and saints, at Corinth, and which applies to all Saved souls spirit,

which are God’s.

NOTHING IN THE REAL BIBLE ABOUT 1) the body, the temple of God (He is dwelling somewhere in that temple, in a prominent place)

IN EVERYONE. YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT, DO YOU?

'GOD' BEING EVERYONE'S HEAD.

NOPE.

SOME ARE ALIENATED FROM GOD.

NO GOD, AS A 'HEAD', ON THEM.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU ARE NOT THE Whole Council and MANIFOLD of God, hanging in The Fullness of the Spirit, ON YOUR STUPID BODY.

God is God, and The Birth by The New Spirit Makes the Saved person a Partaker of The Divine Nature, as well as, the natural Nature of soul and body.

 

Did God create Adam as a jerk?

I ask because the basic premise of the OP is that nothing changed in Adam except what was specifically stated by God that it would change (eyes opened & death). However, I can’t shake the memory of Adam’s reaction to God’s direct question and invitation to repent ...

GOD: "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?"
Adam: "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate."
[Gen 3:11-12]

Adam’s first instinct was to throw Eve under the bus and blame God for tempting him to sin ... was that his nature before the fall? Is that really how God raised him?

 

Chapter 3 - Of Original Sin -Introduction -Clemens Romanus. A.D. 69. -Barnabas. A.D. 70. -Ignatius. A.D. 110. -Justin. A.D. 150. -Irenaeus. A.D. 180. -Clemens Alexandrinus. A.D. 190. -Tertullian. A.D. 200. -Origines Alexandrinus. A.D. 230. -Gregorius Neocaesariensis. A.D. 240. -Cyprian. A.D. 250. -Arnobius. A.D. 290. -Lactantius. A.D. 320. -Eusebus Caesariensis. A.D. 330. -Macarius Egyptus. A.D. 350. -Athanasius. A.D. 350. -Hilarius Pictaviensis. A.D. 360. -Victorinus Afer. A.D. 365. -Optatus Milevitanus. A.D. 370. -Cyrillus Hierosolymitanus. A.D. 370. -Basilius Caesariensis. A.D. 370. -Gregorius Nazianzenus. A.D. 370. -Gregorius Nyssenus. A.D. 380. -Hilarius Diaconus. A.D. 380. -Ambrosius Mediolanensis. A.D. 380. -Epiphanius. A.D. 390. -Marcus Eremits. A.D. 390. -Joannes Chrysostomus. A.D. 390. -Hieronymus. A.D. 390.

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/gill/The_Cause_of_God_and_Truth_-_John_Gill.pdf

 

God’s response indicates that Eve told the truth and Adam lied. Eve was “deceived” and Adam “disobeyed”. From that, I choose to believe that God knew Adam’s heart and Adam was not simply “telling the truth”. I think there is a clear attempt to shift blame, and from God’s response I believe that it was deliberate.

 

Well that is the popular interpretation - depiction. In the incarntation the Word became man, but did not cease being God. So He, the Word became both the man and God. He was not part man part God, rather remained fully God that He was (John 1:1). But only changed how He was with the God, John 1:2, John 1:14 He changing to be also fully man. This is an important distinction which tradition fails to make.

Adam remained being made in the image of God, therefore Adam's decendants would still be in the image of God. The Serpent argued to have the knowledge of good and evil was to become like God (Genesis 3:3, note Genesis 3:22). So unlike God man is not made infinitly good. So what was always the infinite good God's knowledge caused finite man to have a sinful nature. This too tradition also fails to know.