Who destroyed Job's stuff?

God or Satan?

Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

 

But God said to Satan that Job is in his (Satan's) hands! And then later it shall have been God? This is a bit illogical, isn't it?

 

So you think Satan was the executor who killed Job's children and who did all this?

Because the interesting part of this is that if Satan was the one who did all this then this would mean that Satan can control the weather because he sent fire from heaven.

Job 1:16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

And the servant even attributes this fire to God!

 

Indeed. This reminds me of the tsumani a few years ago. It only took a few days until prophecies and words from God came up on christian boards where people quoted Jesus saying that he was the one who caused the tsunami....
Such things can really distort your picture of God because you don't know if it was God or not. Maybe it wasn't God and christians make it look like it was God and others read this and think how terrible the christian God is.

 

Satan! God says "He is in your hands" -- Satan charges "YOU have set a hedge about him" -- God simply removed that barrier of protection and gave Satan permission to harm as was Satan's nature and desire.

In Christ,

Bob </font>[/QUOTE]This is what I believe, too.

But why does God say in Job 2:3 that Satan moved him against Job? This seems like a contradiction.

 

Yes.
But Job 2:3 seems to say something different, this is what confuses me.

Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

This sounds like Satan started this whole thing. But wasn't it God who challenged Satan? I mean God knew exactly what would happen when he started with this "did you see my servant Job" stuff.

 

But didn't God know exactly what would happen when he asked Satan this stuff? If Satan had come to God and asked him wether he can destroy Job then it would be much easier to understand but it's the other way around. It seems like God challenges Satan. Why did he do this? Atheists use this to attack God and to make it look as if God was playing games with Satan and Job's the poor victim. In the end Job is even richer and has new children but his old children are dead. Sure, you can simply say that they were in paradise but somehow it still seems like a lot of collateral damage.

 

Would God also have allowed this if he had known that Job would not pass the test?

And since God already knew the outcome why didn't he simply leave it with that? When he knows the result of a scenario already then he doesn't have to play through it anymore.