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    First, there's no such thing as a "KJB" unless it's a new model of Toyota, etc.

    Second, not one Scripture says the wicked shall be annihilated. I notice you avoided the Scriptures I posted that plainly say the wicked will be in the LOF forever.

    Try as you might, you simply cannot defend your guru's hooey. While the physical bodies of the wicked shall be destroyed,their SOULS will be in the LOF forever, as Scripture says.

    The "no more sea" refers to the seas & oceans of water now upon the earth's surface. The LOF is not on the earth's surface, so you might as well get off that kick right now.

    YOU are the one here trying to add to God's word & just plain ignore parts of it, such as the verses I posted that plainly say the wicked shall spend eternity in hell. You should heed GOD, not Ellen White.
     
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    Sounds rather like denial of reality to me. Here is an entire website demonstrating that there is such a thing as the King James Bible (KJB) - OFFICIAL KING JAMES BIBLE ONLINE

    Wikipedia even says:

    "... The King James Version (KJV), also known as the King James Bible (KJB), sometimes as the English version of 1611, or simply the Authorized Version (AV), is an English translation of the Christian Bible for the Church of England, commissioned in 1604 and completed as well as published in 1611 under the sponsorship of James VI and I.[a] ..." - King James Version - Wikipedia​


    Even Webster's 1828 webpage acknowledges the King James Bible:

    "... Webster's Dictionary definitions for over a thousand words in the King James Bible ..." - Websters Dictionary 1828 - Bible​

    Even Amazon.com:

    "... The Noah Webster 1828 Dictionary and King James Bible in Libronix CD ..." - https://www.amazon.com/Webster-Dictionary-James-Bible-Libronix/dp/0912498587
    ​
    In AD 1759, a dictionary says:

    In AD 1722, a dictionary says:

    "... it was published in the Year 1619. with a Dedication to King James, the first Promoter and Encourager of this useful Work, and a learned Preface to the Reader: And is commonly called King James's Bible. ..." - Bibliotheca Literaria​
     
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  3. robycop3

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    I don't use the KJV anyway; it has many goofs & booboos, & it's in obsolete language.

    But its very makers named it "Authorized VERSION of 1611", not 'Authorized BIBLE'.
     
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  4. Alofa Atu

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    Sounds rather like denial of reality to me:

    Deuteronomy 9:3 NIV - But be assured today that the Lord your God is the one who goes across ahead of you like a devouring fire. He will destroy them; he will subdue them before you. And you will drive them out and annihilate them quickly, as the Lord has promised you. - Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 9:3 - New International Version

    2 Chronicles 32:21 NIV - 21 And the Lord sent an angel, who annihilated all the fighting men and the commanders and officers in the camp of the Assyrian king. So he withdrew to his own land in disgrace. And when he went into the temple of his god, some of his sons, his own flesh and blood, cut him down with the sword. - Bible Gateway passage: 2 Chronicles 32:21 - New International Version

    Deuteronomy 11:4 NET - or what he did to the army of Egypt, including their horses and chariots, when he made the waters of the Red Seaa]">[a] overwhelm them while they were pursuing you and heb]">[b] annihilated them.c]">[c] - Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 11:4 - New English Translation​

    Annihilate - Topical Bible: Annihilate

    Psa 37:10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.​

    Annihilate as used in various English Translations:

    NET - BibleGateway - Keyword Search: annihilate

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  5. Alofa Atu

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    Sounds rather like denial of reality to me:

    The words used so far in describing the end of the wicked are Destroy, Blotted Out, Perished, Consumed Utterly, Cut Off, Dissolved, Melted, Devoured, Dead, Death, Hath Not Been, Not [any/no more], Burned Up, etc. [all taken from Strong's]:

    [Hebrew: machah מחה; meaning: to wipe out; blot out, obliterate; exterminated]
    [Hebrew: macah מסה; meaning: melt away, dissolve, liquefy, consumed]
    [Hebrew: muwg מוג; meaning: to melt, dissolve, faint, dissipate, flow away]
    [Hebrew: muwth מות; meaning: dead, death, kill, slain]
    [Hebrew: da`ak דעך; meaning: extinguished, to go out, put out, dry up, made extinct, quenched]
    [Hebrew: caphah ספה; meaning: to be swept away, destroyed, consumed]
    [Hebrew: shachath שחת; meaning: destroyed, corrupted, ruined, decayed]
    [Hebrew: parar פרר; meaning: break apart, frustrate, split, splinter to pieces, shatter, cracked up]
    [Hebrew: 'abad אבד; meaning: perished, vanished, destroyed, die, exterminated, blot out, put to death]
    [Hebrew: 'obed אבד; meaning: destruction, perish]
    [Hebrew: gava` גוע; meaning: to expire, die, death, breathe ones last, yield up the last breath]
    [Hebrew: cuwph סוף; meaning: to come to an end, to make an end, consume utterly, cause to cease, perish]
    [Hebrew: damah דמה; meaning: to cease, cause to cease, cut off, destroy, perish, to be undone]
    [Hebrew: charam חרם; meaning: to ban, destroy utterly and completely, exterminated, forfeited, divided, prohibited]
    [Hebrew: kalah כלה; meaning: consumed, determined, ended, finished, completely spent, at an end, perish, terminated, annihilation, complete destruction]
    [Hebrew: karath כרת; meaning: cut off, cut asunder, eliminate, kill, cut down]
    [Hebrew: kachad כחד; meaning: hide, conceal, cut down, make desolate, destroy, cut off, annihilate, efface]
    [Hebrew: bala` בלע; meaning: swallowed up, eaten up, to be ended]
    [Hebrew: balah בלה; meaning: to wear out, wear away, use up completely]
    [Hebrew: harac הרס; meaning: to tear down, break down, overthrow, destroy utterly]
    [Hebrew: show' שוא; meaning: devastated, ruined, laid to waste]
    [Hebrew: tsamath צמת; meaning: put an end to, cut off, destroy, exterminate, annihilate]
    [Hebrew: shamad שמד; meaning: destroyed, exterminate, annihilated, devastated]
    [Hebrew: naphal נפל; meaning: cast down, fail, waste away, overturn, knock down, fall]
    [Hebrew: 'akal אכל; meaning: to eat, devour, consume, to be wasted, destroyed]
    [Hebrew: chacal חסל; meaning: to consume, eaten up, bring to an end]
    [Hebrew: tamam תמם; meaning: to be complete, finished, at an end, consumed, exhausted]
    [Hebrew: 'oklah אכלה; meaning: object of devouring, consuming in judgment]
    [Hebrew: maqaq מקק; meaning: to decay, pine away, rot, fester, corrupt, dissolve]
    [Hebrew: guwz גוז; meaning: to pass over, pass away (of life), cut off]
    [Hebrew: yatsath יצת; meaning: to be burned up, to be made desolate, set on fire]
    [Hebrew: sĕrephah שרפה; meaning: burning, burn, burnt up throughly]

    [Greek: apollymi ἀπόλλυμι; meaning: to destroy, put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin, render useless, kill, perish]
    [Greek: lyō λύω; meaning: loosed, undone, annul, dissolve, do away with, overthrow, break up]
    [Greek: katalyō καταλύω; meaning: dissolved, disunite, overthrow, render vain, bring to naught]
    [Greek: analiskō ἀναλίσκω; meaning: to expend, consume, destroy]
    [Greek: phtheirō φθείρω; meaning: to corrupt, to destroy, to perish, deprave]
    [Greek: diaphtheirō διαφθείρω; meaning: to corrupt, consume, destroy, kill, eat up, ruin]
    [Greek: aphanizō ἀφανίζω; meaning: to snatch away, take away, to make unseen, to destroy, consume, to make vanish]
    [Greek: phthora φθορά; meaning: corruption, destruction, perishing, decay]
    [Greek: kataphtheirō καταφθείρω; meaning: to corrupt, deprave, to destroy, perish]
    [Greek: ekkoptō ἐκκόπτω; meaning: hewn down, cut off or out]
    [Greek: apokoptō ἀποκόπτω; meaning: cut off, amputate]
    [Greek: nekros νεκρός; meaning: lifeless, dead, deceased, breathed ones last, inanimate, inactive]
    [Greek: nekroō νεκρόω; meaning: dead, put to death, to deprive of power, destroy the strength]
    [Greek: apothnēskō ἀποθνῄσκω; meaning: to die, perish, dry up, eternal death]
    [Greek: empi(m)prēmi ἐμπί(μ)πρημι; meaning: burn up, destroy by fire]
    [Greek: katakaiō κατακαίω; meaning: to burn up, consume by fire]​
     
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    Any other doctrines you wanted to consider closely? It would be nice to have some adult Christian exchange.
     
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    Yes, the wicked shall be purged FROM THE EARTH, but their SOULS will live on in the LOF, as Scripture says. Your guru, EGW, was wrong about that, as she was in many other matters.

    Here are some more Scriptures about the eternality of hell:

    Matt. 25:41(Jesus speaking) “Then He will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels'.

    Matt. 25:46 (Jesus speaking)"And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

    Sorry, Captain, but I believe Jesus over EGW or any other human.
     
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    Matthew 6

    34“So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

    And you can search back when people give their end of the world scenarios, I've given this answer repeatedly.

    People have a big obsession over salvation. People have obsession over end of the world. I was commanded to love God and love neighbor.

    Matthew 16
    25“For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.



    The video started off on right foot. In MY OPINION, Then it tried to shoe-horn Jewish Law as the same thing.

    Which is worry about which way you sneeze and what to eat when, ie WORRY ABOUT EVERYTHING including tomorrow.

    Instead of DON'T WORRY its worry more.

    So its trying to sell Jesus says DON'T worry about anything, so it will leave room for what God worries about-->Jewish Law.


    Jesus commands have "no plan". Because you got enough on your plate today.

    But the video tries to force Jewish Law. To twist a meaning of Jesus saying have NO PLAN so it will have room for GOD's PLAN.

    Jesus could have plainly said WORRY ABOUT GOD's PLAN. He did not.

    If you TRUST GOD, have confidence in GOD, then you have FAITH in God, you should not be worried about anything.


    Romans 8

    31    What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?
     
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    Jesus is saying to follow the plan in diet, plan in dress, plan in living, plan in salvation that His Father already provided in Christ Jesus, and to cease from your own plans for those things. Jesus is not saying to not consider what you eat/drink, wear, or live or matters salvation.

    For instance, the plan of God in diet is seen in Genesis. Yet the serpent came with another diet.

    For instance, the plan of God in salvation is seen in Genesis. Yet the serpent came with another plan, in Cain, who was of that wicked one.

    God's Law of Ten Commandments is eternal, and all that goes with it, as they are the expounding of Love God and neighbour fully laid out, Deuteronomy 6:4; Leviticus 19:17-18, both in the context of the Ten Commandments.
     
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    Hmmph ! Your 'diet' is what your guru EGW wrpte out, but didn't follow herself. There's no 'dress code in Scripture that applies today, as we live in another time/place. And Jesus grants salvation to anyone who calls on His name in repentance, faith, & obedience.

    Col. 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

    Remember, Paul had a hotline to the Holy Spirit, so what he wrote is from Him, not Paul's own thoughts.

    I've said many times there's no Scriptural command for gentiles to keep sabbaths. Likewise, there's no Scriptural command for gentiles regarding food, drink, etc. except a prohibition against drinking blood.
     
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    "Jesus is saying to follow the plan in diet, plan in dress, plan in living"

    Matthew 6

    25“For this reason I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing?

    Literally backward of what you are saying. That is why it was so shocking for the Jews to hear it.


    Judaisers Would certainly agree with you.

    Acts 15

    5But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.”


    Give us an example of Judaisers. Guess who are the first Christians who come to my mind?
     
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    No, it is literally the opposite of what you are saying, for the context continues with:

    Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
    Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.​

    God already has a plan in all those things, and already provided, apart from your plans for self.
     
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    I love that text!









     
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    Hey listen:


     
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    "salvation":

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    1Ti_2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
     
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    Paul was writing about church services, not public life.
     
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