Irresistible Grace is a useless doctrine

Why not read the rest of Romans?
Rom_12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

 

Actually what I reject is you.
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
By the way I believe in Jesus Christ and I first trusted in Him by my choice.
MB
MB

 

I do not dispise What God hath said I desies whay you claim as truth.
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Deu 30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

You said man has no freewill
Ezr 7:13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.

MB

 

MB, you seem to think Paul is writing to pagans. Why is that? If you actually took the time to read the letter, you would know Paul is writing to the elect. Therefore, every man is every believer. Unfortunately, you make the entire Bible into a universalist manifesto, yet you can't admit you teach universalism. All I ask is for you to be consistent as a universalist.

 

You imagine you chose God and thus you puff yourself up.

 

Was God addressing the chosen in Deuteronomy or was he writing to pagans who chose God?

 

Was all Israel, Israel? Thanks for following scripture.

 

You mean like in Daniel where God makes a King eat grass and live like an animal?

 

Hahaha

What do you say to that guys

 

Mark,

From your demeanor and tone in these posts, it appears that you enjoy not only remanding people to a position lower than your level of maturity, but also your level of interaction.
Perhaps I'm mistaken and you only come off this way when speaking with "Calvinists", but to me, you still can't let go of the derogatory usage of the word, "calvie" to describe those that hold to the "TULIP" summary in their doctrines.

I would ask that you put aside the rhetoric and do what you wish others would do to you...
Treat them with respect.

I also cannot speak for others here who hold to similar views as my own,
but I can say that, regardless of our disagreements, I find that have no trouble doing the same for you.

 

II Thess 3:2 - all do not have faith

 

Austin...
Let's not make accusations where they may not be warranted.


To me, he just doesn't understand how God overcomes our willful and obstinate nature and has to give the objects of His grace the new birth in order to get any of us to seek Him and to listen to His words.

 

There are no single verses to use as proof texts like calvies like to use. What we do know is there is not a single verse that suggests that grace is irresistible. We first need to look at how man is able to understand the gospel (Romans 10:17; 2 Timothy 3:15). See calvies believe that one must first be saved in order to be saved. Of course they like to think that regeneration and salvation are not one and the same but they, in fact, are. See we use the same terminology but have different meanings. They have redefined regeneration, God's Sovereignty, and a few other terms. They also do not believe in the sufficiency of scripture in salvation (Hebrews 4:12). They believe, without any scriptural backing, that regeneration occurs as an extra measure of grace and an extra working of the Holy Spirit.

Scripture teaches that the word of God is sufficient in salvation (Hebrews 4:12) and that it is all that is needed for the salvation of man 2 Timothy 3:15). Scripture teaches that the word of God is the work of the HG and that it takes no further act on His part for man to be saved (2 Timothy 3:15-16). Further, scripture teaches that God is sovereign when man makes a choice as He has designed (decreed)(John 1:12). It is not necessary for God to be in complete control or effective in salvation for God to be sovereign in the salvation of man. The calvie understanding of the sovereignty of God is an errant view and in no way supported by scripture.

 

Its not derogatory. I will tell you that in almost every post on this board by a calvie to include your own they are dripping with arrogance and condescension. Most of the calvies who come to this site are still in the cage stage and suffer from James White itis. I have calvie friends who I talk with regularly who would never engage the way you guys do. Failure to acknowledge my posts of which you all disapprove of are in response to the invective I and either given or see given on this board regularly. In fact one of you brags about not being willing or have the time to deal with the "niceties" of discussions on this board.

Further, every once in a while a new one shows up on this board and thinks they are going to school me on all the finer points of reformed theology and if it is supposed to be new to me. I was debating calvies long before you and others came along. Nothing you all say to me is new. And I grow tired of all the "derogatory" attacks on me over the years. I no longer engage cage stagers. Its not worth my time. I do not debate to win a debate. And your engagement of me in this thread is another example of the lack of acknowledgement from the invective I received even in this thread. Since that is true I really cannot take your concern seriously.

 

I think you're on to something you may not realize, Derf.