Featured THE GATES OF HADES will not win is: JESUS' Promise to HIS CHURCHES.

I understand this phrase to mean, "Not even death will stop the church from completing her mission." Hades as in death, not the lake of fire. And we have many Christian Martyrs to attest to this. Christ Himself attests to this, not even death could stop God's will in Him from being completed.

 

you mean Jesus Christ will!

 

Yes, but Jesus is saying His Church will. That's "we". He gives us authority; we can ask anything in His name.

 

'I -- I said in the cutting off of my days, I go in gates of Sheol, I have numbered the remnant of mine years. Isa 38:10

I wonder what the Holy Spirit meant by gates (plural) of Sheol?

I also wonder if, gates of Sheol spoken of there are same, gates of Hades, Jesus was speaking of?

 

Did Jesus pass through gates of Hades?

 

Yes, agreed.

peace to you

 

Did I say Hell?

because Thou wilt not leave my soul to hades, Acts 2:27 YLT

What exactly do you think the prophet David meant here?

 

It's the gates of hell, not "hades".

 

In the KJ Hades is translated as "hell." I thought you would know this.

 

Right. So you agree it's the gates of hell, then.

 

P.S. doctrinally the verse is about the gates of hell not overcoming the Rock, Christ Jesus himself, since his soul was not left in hell. The verse was literal. Applying it spiritually to the church is not wrong, but it's a secondary (see Heb.4:12) application.

 

Hades, Sheol, the nether world are the same place. There are more then one way to get there.

 

If it’s “Hades”, does that affect your theology? Some people restrict “hell” to the lake of fire, or “second death” from Revelation. And it certainly fits, since we are told: Revelation 20:6 (KJV) Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

But it also fits, and perhaps more perfectly, with the idea of Hades, as long as the term is used as a synonym of “grave”, or “death”. The gates of Hades/death will not keep the church in—they will all be resurrected. This is the hope of the church, and it is still a hope, as the resurrection hasn’t happened yet.


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Two translations of the verse where Sheol is first used. Genesis 37:35

NKJV: And all his sons and all his daughters arose to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted, and he said, “For I shall go down into the grave to my son in mourning.” Thus his father wept for him.

Darby: And all his sons and all his daughters rose up to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted, and said, For I will go down to my son into Sheol mourning. Thus his father wept for him.

Why would he be going anywhere? What would be, initiating, this going somewhere. Would his arrival wherever he was going be immediate to the initiation thereof? Would he immediately be with his son upon the initiation?

Now Jacob lived about 1600/1700 years after Adam and many had departed life therefore man had construed that they must be somewhere and that somewhere in the Hebrew was Sheol the unseen ward, a realm entered.

From: Lessons from the Garden: “Dying You Shall Die”

There is a specific manner in which die (muwth) is presented. In our English translations, this verb construct is not noticeable. However, in the Hebrew, there is a double verb used. This type of construct identifies a process, an immediate reality that will come to finality at a future time. The actual phrase should read “dying you shall die”.

Jacob was saying when that takes place which God told Adam I will enter Sheol, to my son.

Dying you shall die is the gates of Sheol in the Hebrew, Hades in the Greek.

A writing of Hezeki'ah king of Judah, after he had been sick and had recovered from his sickness: I said, In the noontide of my days I must depart; I am consigned to the gates of Sheol for the rest of my years. I said, I shall not see the LORD in the land of the living; I shall look upon man no more among the inhabitants of the world.

I am consigned to; by what God told Adam.

 

When will it be said O death where thy sting, O Hades where thy victory? Is that relative to; when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, and is that relative to; In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump?

Is that when the gates of Hades will not prevail against the Church?

 

That is part of it. But should we die before the second appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 John 3:2, 1 Corinthians 15:52), we go directly to be with Him in Heaven, not the nether world (Hades, Sheel), 2 Corinthians 5:8. And that place, the nether world, will be done away with in the Judgement, Revelation 20:13.

 

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. <If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. - When?

2 Thes 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. - When, are we going to be found ? V 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: - When will we be present with the Lord not found naked? so shall we ever be with the Lord

2 Cor 5 is not about dying and going to heaven. It is about receiving the self same thing as someone else in due time.