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In the NASB95 and KJV, several different words are all translated as fervent or fervently. However their historical meanings differ significantly. Thus the distinctions intended by the inspired author have been obliterated.

In Acts 18:25 and Romans 12:11, we have "zeo" (G2204) with a literal meaning of "hot," and a metaphoric meaning of emotional commitment translated as "fervent." That is certainly consistent with the modern meaning of fervent, i.e. passionate intensity.

However, if we look at 1 Peter 4:8, we find another Greek word, "ektenes" (G1618) which historically means incessant or incessantly also being translated as "fervent."

And if you look at other English translations, you will find additional Greek words also translated as fervent or fervently. For example the KJV translates G1754 as effectual fervent at James 5:16.

Would it not be nice if someone translated God's word concordantly, where each word or phrase meaning in the original, was translated distinctively into English. Thus "Hell" would be replaced by Hades and Gehenna.

 

Were two different Greek words both translated into the same English word? Yes.
So your effort to find fault demonstrates an inability to grasp reality.

Here is the meaning from a published source:

1. to boil with heat, be hot
   1. used of water
   2. metaph.
      1. used of boiling anger, love, zeal, for what is good or bad etc.
      2. fervent in spirit, said of zeal for what is good

So much for the bogus assertions of error.

In 1 Peter 4:8 the word is an adjective modifying the noun "love" as in "incessant love."
I should not have to explain the obvious to someone well qualified to grasp this truth.

Please do not clutter this thread with your ignorant posts. And if anyone thinks I claimed JOJ taught Gnosticism, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. He makes up inaccurate smears and posts them.

Here is the deal, our modern translators have failed to provide an accurate translation of God's word, and our translations could be improved quite easily, if the translators were not so defensive.

 

Lets take a look at Acts of the Apostles 18:25. Here are the different English words used to translate the Greek word as fervent in the NASB.

NIV - great fervor
NLT - enthusiastic
CEV - great excitement
GNT - great enthusiasm
GWT - enthusiastically.
WNT - burning zeal

And 21 others all going with fervent. So accepting fervent as an acceptable translation is mainstream. Might a less archaic choice (zealous) also be sound? But then G2207 (zeiotes) would need revision as it appears all 7 times in the NASB as zealous.

 

Moving to the next Greek word also translated fervent in the NASB, we have G1618 (ektenes)
In the OP I said it meant incessant or incessantly, but upon further review intense or intensely (G1619)

Here are the various translation choices I found in 1 Peter 4:8, G1618.

NIV - deeply
NLT - deep
ESV - earnestly
CSB - constant
CEV - sincerely
HCSB - intense
NHEB - earnest
ABPE - severe
GWT - warmly

A few others picked one of the above, but the rest, 15, picked fervent. However the idea is intense love for others. So in 1 Peter 4:8, we have the adjective, intense love, and in Acts 12:5 we have a different word with the same root, G1619, an adverb which could be translated as intensely praying. Ditto for Luke 22:44 and 1 Peter 1:22.

 

Lastly, let us look at James 5:16, while the NASB simply has effective, the KJV and a few like minded others have effective or effectual fervent for G1754, (energeō). So all that needs to be done, as far as fixing the translation to eliminate redundant use of fervent, is to change effective fervent to effective or effectual. This would be consistent with many of the English translations I reviewed.

Now that was not so hard, even by someone lacking the special knowledge deemed necessary by other. Folks, we can all study and share our results, and hopefully if we are off the mark, someone who cares for us and seeks to edify the body will help us.

 

Acts 12:5
Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing G1618 of the church unto God for him.

1Peter4:8
And above all things have fervent G1618 charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

The above is a copy of a part of a BLB presentation of G1618. Note that Acts 12:5 is mischaracterized as being in the G1618 family rather than correctly in the G1619 family of words. That was why I wrongly indicated G1618 could be translated adverbially.

The point being, when we study, reviewing more than one source is sometimes necessary to find truth.

 

Is the translation word or phrase choice consistent with the historical meaning intended by the original author to the initial audience as reflected by contextual usage both in scripture and in contemporaneous secular writings. Sometimes a word is chosen, say "adoption" that means a person becomes part of a family, when the historical meaning of the word being translated is to obtain the full rights of membership in the family upon reaching the age of maturity. Thus "adoption" fails the test of historical meaning.

 

[Edited OP to correct initially posted errors]
In the NASB95 and KJV, several different words are all translated as fervent or fervently. However their historical meanings differ significantly. Thus the distinctions intended by the inspired author have been obliterated.

In Acts of the Apostles 18:25 and Romans 12:11, we have "zeo" (G2204) with a literal meaning of "be hot," and a metaphoric meaning of emotional commitment translated as "fervent." That is certainly consistent with the modern meaning of fervent, i.e. passionate intensity.

However, if we look at 1 Peter 4:8, we find another Greek word, "ektenes" (G1618) which historically means intense and is usually also translated as "fervent." Additionally another Greek word, G1619, is an adverb and is usually translated as fervently, in Acts of the Apostles 12:5, Luke 22:44 and 1 Peter 1:22.

And if you look at other English translations, you will find additional Greek words also translated as fervent or fervently. For example the KJV translates G1754 as effectual fervent at James 5:16.

Would it not be nice if someone translated God's word concordantly, where each word or phrase meaning in the original, was translated distinctively into English. Thus "Hell" would be replaced by Hades and Gehenna.

 

Both the KJV and Websters Bible have fervent mind at 2 Corinthians 7:7 for G2205. Most others go with zeal. However, we can find "deep concern" or ardent concern or loyal.

 

Did you think "Hades" appears in Matthew 5:22? No, the word mistranslated as "hell" is Gehenna, a very different place from Hades. Ditto for Matthew 5:29 and 30.

Do you think Luke 16:23-24 refers to the "Gehenna fire?" Nope Here the place is identified as Hades.

Do you think Mark 9:43 refers to Hades? Nope, Gehenna.

Do you think 1 Corinthians 15:55 refers to Gehenna? Nope, Hades.

Do you think Acts 2:27 refers to death as the place where the soul goes? Nope, Hades.

Do you think Acts 2:31 refers to Christ's body being in Hades? Nope

JOJ whole post is fiction, trying to justify mistranslation. Pay no attention, folks.

 

Did you think "Hades" appears in Matthew 5:22? No, the word mistranslated as "hell" is Gehenna, a very different place from Hades. Ditto for Matthew 5:29 and 30.

Do you think Luke 16:23-24 refers to the "Gehenna fire?" Nope Here the place is identified as Hades.

Do you think Mark 9:43 refers to Hades? Nope, Gehenna.

Do you think 1 Corinthians 15:55 refers to Gehenna? Nope, Hades.

Do you think Acts 2:27 refers to death as the place where the soul goes? Nope, Hades.

Do you think Acts 2:31 refers to Christ's body being in Hades? Nope

In the NT, Hades refers to the temporary holding cell where the souls of the lost go upon physical death, where they are in torment for their sins, until the Great White Throne Judgement.

 

Yes, this difficulty troubled me too. I concluded the physical bodies are somehow brought out of the sea and out of the land based dead remains place (personified as Death), and are then united with with their human spirit from Hades.

 

I think many people (including myself) believe Gehenna is the location of the "Lake of Fire." But not many mainstream Baptists think "purgatory" is anything except false doctrine. Certainly the picture of Hades from Luke 16:19-31 includes torment from high heat. But destruction of the lost soul does not occur in Hades, as the lost go into the Lake of Fire.