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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 37818, Dec 18, 2020.

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  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    Those who claim if a person believes Jesus was a historical figure, a good teacher, but either a liar or a lunatic, is saved, based on believing something about Jesus, face Matthew 7 and being told, "I never knew you." The gospel of Christ hangs between to robbers, legalism and lawlessness. One side says if you believe all the "right things" you are automatically saved, and those on the other side say if you believe anything about Jesus, you are automatically saved. Both views are false unbiblical doctrines.

    Soil #3 believed all the right things but was unwilling to give up worldly treasures. Does that sound like easy believism to you? Not to me either. :)
     
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    the rich young ruler refused to put Jesus ahead and in priority over his own wealth...
     
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    Here is an edited version of Matthew 13:22, "The seed sown among thorns is the person who hears the word, but worldly distractions and the seductiveness of wealth choke the word, so it produces nothing. So the biblical doctrine is Not-easy Believism. :)

    Does the rich young ruler ring a bell? Of course a Calvinist might say it is no harder for the well off to turn loose of worldly treasure and be saved, because they are irresistibly compelled to believe , but that too is false doctrine.

    Pay no attention to the robbers beside the cross, and look full into His wondrous Face, and the things of earth will grow strangely dim in the Light of His Power and Grace.
     
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    What you start with is your unfounded lie.
     
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    See post #7, post #9, post #11, post #13, post #21 and post #23. I have made the case for "Easy Believism" to be condemned as false doctrine, destructive to the ministry of Christ.

    No matter how many times you claim otherwise, the referenced scriptures proclaim the truth.
     
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    Agian!
    You start off with this lie.
     
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    So your Salvation came by faith plus works. You should join the Calvinist side because you're just like them.
    MB
     
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    According to Calvinist you are an easy believer your self.
    MB
     
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    On and on, my view is misrepresented with no quote. God determining whose faith to credit is not works. MB seems to be on one side (his side) and 37818 on the other side. One side says if you believe all the "right things" you are automatically saved, and those on the other side say if you believe anything about Jesus, you are automatically saved. Both views are false unbiblical doctrines.

    Soil #3 believed all the right things but was unwilling to give up worldly treasures. Does that sound like easy believism to you? Not to me either.
     
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    Perhaps defining the meaning of "easy believism" would be a good place to start for better communication.
     
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    IMO, 'justification by faith alone' is easy believism.
     
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    I think that part of the problem may be that people argue over it without even agreeing on what the term means. Here is a site that proposes that there are two very different uses of the term "easy believism."

    What Is Easy Believism?

    The first meaning is that salvation is an intellectual acknowledgment of God's work on the cross, coupled with a verbal calling out to God through something such as "the sinner's prayer." The second meaning is that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, without any works. That is two very different definitions!

    (The former is what the term usually means in my circles. The soul-winner horse collar's his mark, harries some sort of "yes" out of him or her, then convinces that person to say "the sinner's prayer.")
     
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    Is a mans faith his righteousness, or is the object of ones God given Faith his righteousness, which is Christ. The Bible says God made Christ to be for us righteousness 1 Cor 1:30
    30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
     
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    Easy believism is a free-will concept. It says that all you need to do to be saved is to say the Sinners Prayer. It doesn't matter if there is no change in a sinners life. If a person says the prayer, they are saved. (I actually went to a SBC church that taught this rubbish.)

    For the redeemed, Jesus choice to redeem us and save us was easy for God. But, the perseverance in faith is a daily process in which God is sanctifying his child.

    Hebrews 12:3-24

    Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.” It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. Therefore lift your drooping hands and strengthen your weak knees, and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be put out of joint but rather be healed. Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled; that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal. For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears. For you have not come to what may be touched, a blazing fire and darkness and gloom and a tempest and the sound of a trumpet and a voice whose words made the hearers beg that no further messages be spoken to them. For they could not endure the order that was given, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned.” Indeed, so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I tremble with fear.” But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
     
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    More biblical then to say as some would need faith and good works!
     
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    Well your Arminianism is the rotten fruit that fell from the tree of Calvinism. Pure heresy You cannot get good fruit from a rotten tree. You've gone from faith alone to just being all alone. LOL!
    MB
     
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    No a person's faith is not righteous, but if God credits our faith as righteousness, then that credited faith is righteous. Note, a person is not made righteous when God credits our faith has righteousness to us. We are made righteous by the washing of regeneration which occurs when God places us into Christ.

    Note where is the individual when Christ became to us "righteousness?" IN CHRIST!

    Before a view can be assessed, it must be understood.
     
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    One bogus charge after another. Only a dullard would not realize Arminianism is almost as bogus as Calvinism.
    Your "taint so" and Van is rotten for saying so" mantra reflects your inability to address my arguments which demonstrate Easy Believism is bogus.
     
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    I dont believe you understand. The Christian has Christs righteousness as their own, not their faith. Faith receives the knowledge of that righteousness having been already imputed to the sinner.
     
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    Thanks for your accurate post, your understanding is not what scripture presents. A person is not made righteous when God credits their faith as righteousness to them. Do I need to repeat that?

    A Christian (your usage) has been placed by God into Christ and undergone the washing of regeneration, thus has been made righteous. Your word "imputed" is not found in Romans 5:19.

    Here is my understanding of your order:
    1) An individual is chosen by God before creation, and is thus elect.
    2) During that person's lifetime, God enables the person (instilling the gift of faith) to stop hating God, and start loving God.
    3) God then credits his or her gift of faith as righteousness.

    Sir, your view, in my opinion, is obviously bogus. The idea that God needs credit His instilled gift of faith as righteousness is nonsense.
     
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