Featured Biblical vs Reformed Salvation

Correct, hearing comes from being made alive with Christ.

No, that is not what you have said. You have said that dead people must repent before they can hear the gospel message, that a person is saved by grace through faith.
You struggle very much with God's covenants and thus fail to grasp the Abrahamic and Sinai/Mosaic covenant and what Jesus was saying to the people of Israel when he called them to repentance.

 

Close. Nobody has the ears to hear unless given by God. Welcome to the Reformed camp.

 

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Archangel exposed. You weeks ago.Do we have to go back there?

 

I can...but like many others have discovered you are not really looking for an answer, you are just being contentious.

 

Nope. You really struggle with this. The Sinai/Mosaic covenant is for Israel, thus the repentance of Israel falls within the Sinai/Mosaic covenant while the promise of salvation falls in a greater covenant, the Abrahamic covenant, which envelopes all people's. If you could stop reading the Bible with a massive immovable pretext, you would see this biblical truth expressed throughout scripture.
Alas, I don't expect you have had your mind opened to this truth so I accept you have an interpretive error. My only purpose in posting here is to point out that Reformed soteriology is very much biblical. Therefore, the title of this thread is utterly wrong and it has been proven wrong by multiple posters.
One day...your BB name will actually be your theology. Until then you will keep struggling and fighting against the bit.

 

Verses out of context mean nothing. Yes, he who hears the word, but Paul also says someone has to have ears to hear. Not everyone has this. That's not just something given to every person. John also says nobody comes to the son unless he is drawn (literally dragged) by the Father.

 

I'm sorry, can you simply state what you are trying to argue? I don't see how that passage is in any disagreement with what I stated.

 

It never changed.
Salvation, God's decision to save a people for Himself, was made before the word began...
When they were written in the Book of Life ( Revelation 17:8 ):

" The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

According to this, there is a group whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, and there is a group whose names were.
In addition, since the Ephesians believers were told, just 1 chapter back in Ephesians 1:4-5, that not only were they chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, they were predestinated to their adoption as children.

Therefore, God's decision to save them occurred, just as Paul told them, before He created any of us.
Once again, Romans 9:14-24 comes into play...
Vessels of wrath fitted to destruction, and vessels of mercy afore prepared unto glory.

Back in Romans 8:29-30, I clearly see that only those that were foreknown, enjoy any of the rest of the benefits of being made alive...
Benefits such as being predestinated conformed to the image of Christ, being called by the Gospel, being justified by His blood and being glorified with a new body.

No one outside of being foreknown has any right or privilege to any of the rest.

 

Continued from earlier:

Here I see Paul telling them, in both passages ( specifically Ephesians 2:4-6 and Colossians 2:10-15 ), that "positionally" they were in Christ when all of these things were done for them.
In other words, when He went to the cross, His sheep were in His mind and were "at the cross and on it", with Him.

When He took on our sins, it was a personal thing and each and every person He went to that cross to die for, was "with Him".
When He suffered for us, we suffered with Him...
When He was made alive by God, we were made alive with Him.
When He was raised again, we were raised with Him.
When He was seated in the Heavenlies, so were we.

All of this is a picture of what will happen, in real time, for the believer.
They will be born again, they will suffer persecution and tribulation for His sake, and they will die and be raised again.

....At least most of them will die;
A few will be translated as Enoch and Elijah were, when the Lord comes again ( 1 Corinthians 15:51-53, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 ), while the rest are already with Him in spirit, and their bodies will be raised again at His coming.

As for being forgiven of sins, I see that as having happened at the cross ( Romans 5:8-11, Colossians 2:13-14 ), not when the the person believed the Gospel.

That Gospel message is one of reconciliation for God's children...
A completed work on their behalf that was accomplished for them and for them only.

It is not, nor ever was, one of "potential reconciliation" for all of mankind.

 

Hos 3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

Hos 5:6 They shall go with their flocks and with their herds to seek the LORD; but they shall not find him; he hath withdrawn himself from them.

Hos 5:15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

Etc.