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Featured Bible vs Reformed Election

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Feb 3, 2021.

  1. thomas15

    thomas15 Well-Known Member

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    One of the big problems with reformed doctrine of election is that it downplays Scripture such as John 1:12 because it claims that you cannot trust Christ unless you are in their humble opinions members of the elect. They forget that Jesus said "...whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life", because they think they can redefine "whoever" to mean the elect of the reformed tradition.
     
  2. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    Your comment is not correct.
    First, let's quote the passage in John 1.
    He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
    ~ John 1:10-13
    Second, there is no forgetting scripture.

    And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
    ~ John 3:14-19

    The difference is that I acknowledge God as the Sovereign cause agent who effected my response to believe, while you seem to think that God does nothing besides wait for the sinner to cause themselves to effect their own choice of God, as opposed to all other possible choices.
    The two passages I have quoted both express God as the cause agent who effects the unredeemed person to believe. Show me how my understanding is not expressed in these two passages.
     
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