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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by rlvaughn, Feb 18, 2021.

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    Robert Dick Wilson on the Pentateuch, from his book A Scientific Investigation of the Old Testament, page 11:

    “...the conservative position is, in general, that the Canon of the books of the Old Testament was completed in the fifth century B. C., before the succession of the prophets ceased. As to the particular portions of the Old Testament, their view is :

    “1. That the Pentateuch as it stands is historical and from the time of Moses; and that Moses was its real author, though it may have been revised and edited by later redactors, the additions being just as much inspired and as true as the rest.”

    Wilson is not the only conservative who holds this position, but above this view is stated precisely -- Moses is the real author of the Pentateuch, yet it may have had some later editing.

    What do you think? Agree or disagree?
     
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    I am very surprised to read this from RDW! He is of course very wrong, as this is the Liberal view of the Torah.
     
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    This sort of view seems fairly common in modern American evangelical scholarship.
    The next three quotes from The Book of Genesis: An Introductory Commentary (Second Edition), Ronald Youngblood, Eugene, OR: Wipf and Stock Publishers, 1999
    And from Merrill F. Unger, Introductory Guide to the Old Testament, Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1951
     
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    The account of Moses' death in Deut. 34 was almost certainly penned by Joshua, IMO, or possibly by another ranking leader of the Children of Israel. It serves as an epilogue for the final sermon from Moses and for the Pentateuch as a whole. Such epilogues are not uncommon in literature.
     
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    Would say the Moses would still be the main and real author of the first 5 books of the OT, as the revisions would be JUST for things such as his death!
     
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    I find it very common that people hold someone other than Moses wrote Deuteronomy chapter 34. Folks who won't admit to any other editorial changes to the Pentateuch -- such as Genesis 14:14; Genesis 36:31; and Genesis 47:11 (see Youngblood above) -- readily accept Deuteronomy 34 as an editorial addition not written by Moses.
     
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    Deuteronomy 31 says that Moses wrote down the law from beginning to end in ONE book and gave it to the Levites to keep beside the Ark of the Covenant and to read it once every 7 years to the people. I don't think I am wrong in saying this contained Genesis - Deuteronomy.

    Of course, someone else had to write the ending after Moses' death, but I do not believe it was edited at all after Moses via inspiration wrote it all down from "beginning to end".
     
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    Considering the miracle of inspiration and that Moses was a prophet, it is not inconceivable that God could have given him the words to write of his own passing.
     
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    It does not seem right at all. So what if God used other editors to shape his word in written form for him and us. It could still be exactly as he wants the final form to be.
     
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    That Moses could have prophetically written his own death record, or that God could have used editors?
    To me it would not be a question of whether God could, but whether he did.
     
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    In light of Deuteronomy 34:9, ". . . And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses. . . ." If Moses did not write with his own hands Deuteronomy 34:5, "So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD." Then Joshua as a prophet of God did in Moses' name. Joshua 1:1-2, "Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying, Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel. . . ."
     
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    It does not seem right to me that Moses wrote his own death record.
     
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    I am not saying he did, but there is nothing about it that seems wrong to me, or any reason that he could not have.

    Why would you think it does not seem right?
     
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    To me it does not seem to be the way God gave us the Bible. I believe it was either Joshua or an unnamed person. I could be wrong, but I believe we have the truth whomever God chose to write.
     
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    To me it would seem that it would be the first chapter of Joshua if he wrote it. With that opinion and $5, you might be able to get a cup of coffee at Starbuck's!

    Certainly, God gave it and it is the truth. Perhaps we may tend to get too hung up on the human author, especially in cases where God did not choose to make it clear.
     
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    Totally agree with that final paragraph. God certainly could have provided Moses with the account of his own death. God could certainly have given another the words in the final chapter of Deuteronomy, as an epilogue. IMO, God in His perfect wisdom chose not to provide a clear answer.
     
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    Having Joshua update the final copy would not be saying Moses was not the author!
     
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    I do not see Joshua adding the postscript would make it not inspired any longer!
     
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    Whether Moses or Joshua (or someone else) wrote Deuteronomy 34 is an interesting discussion. Yet, it still seems like a different sort of issue from what Unger calls the "modernization of archaic expressions and place names" by later editors who were copying the books. Are any of you willing to accept that as legitimate?
     
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    Yes, although I am not well versed in it.
     
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