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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Jan 31, 2021.

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  1. utilyan

    utilyan Well-Known Member
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    We are talking about faith devoid of love is evil, PLAIN FOR YOU TO READ:

    2 And though I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
     
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    utilyan Well-Known Member
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    John 13

    34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

    So that homeless fellah outside, do you flip a coin like Jesus and maybe you will love them or maybe you don't?
     
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    Yet, you argue...
     
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    Is it against God's law to sin? Yes. Therefore he demands we not sin. Does he allow us to sin? Yes.

    Is there a reason for allowing sin to occur? Of course.

    I don't see your point.
     
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    This is works salvation, not grace.
    If the human must make a choice, which therefore secures God's extension of grace, then the work is man's doing. It is salvation by the law of free will.
     
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    You mean God is arguing with you through me, since I had no choice in the matter. I'm just a puppet.
     
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    Does God "TRULY" want you to sin? This is just a yes or no question.
     
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    A puppet of the pope...
     
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    Is “nothing” the same as “evil”?
     
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    Does Pope have free will?
     
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    Where did Jesus give money to the homeless?
     
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    Quote where I said Jesus gave money.

    All I'm asking is if like Jesus do you love or hate the homeless guy outside randomly like Jesus.
     
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    Yes, Absence of Love which is Good is evil.

    Its the equivalent of absence of God.
     
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    There ya go.
     
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    God allows sin to occur for His purposes.
     
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    Does God "TRULY" want you to sin? This is just a yes or no question.

    Calvinist don't know proves my point.
     
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    Flipping a coin has nothing to do with Jesus giving money.
     
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    God allows sin to occur.
     
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    Correct. God truly ordains that we can sin against him. If he did not ordain this, we would not sin.

    utilyan wants to be the ruler of his life and have God as his genie who grants him wishes according to utilyan's free will.
     
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    Jesus did not love or hate randomly. Jesus loved and hated with purpose:

    LOVE: [John 13:34 NASB95] 34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. [1 John 4:19 NASB95] 19 We love, because He first loved us.

    HATE: [Matthew 23:29-33 NASB95] 29 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, 'If we had been [living] in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in [shedding] the blood of the prophets.' 31 "So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 "Fill up, then, the measure [of the guilt] of your fathers. 33 "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell? [Matthew 12:30-34 NASB95] 30 "He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters. 31 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32 "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the [age] to come. 33 "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. 34 "You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart.
     
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