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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Apr 24, 2021.

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  1. MB

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    This is all you know. It's totally useless
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    Because He first knew them they will know Him!
     
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    Thought he held to pelagianism?
     
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    Do you still hold to Pel?
     
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    I don't have a clue of what you are talking about. Like your friend Austin you haven't got what it takes to debate so you argue nonsense and throw out insults. Because of your pathetic behavior your on my ignore list.
     
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    "Christ supposedly offered"?

    They did not avail themselves of God's offer:

    And this is the condemnation,
    that light is come into the world
    and men loved darkness rather than light,
    because their deeds were evil.
    John 3:19

    or in other words they were not chosen before the world began:

    According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.
    Ephesians 1:4

    That is how He can judge; because He offers salvation to anyone that believes:

    For God so loved the world,
    that he gave his only begotten Son,
    that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
    but have eternal life.
    John 3:16
     
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    Sorry, perhaps you're a full Pelagian and I was too gracious. Pelagian taught your free will position so clearly you are a Pelagian. Sorry to say semi.
     
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    LOL, this is rich considering you pull out you Calvin crutch constantly since the Bible doesn't provide you any support.
     
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    Paul certainly believed God had chosen him.

    Galatians 1:15-17
    But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone; nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
     
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    Yes, amen.
    He might have even believed God had called him, although not in the same way, while he was a Pharisee.
     
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    It was after the supper was over, John 13:2 KJV. John 15:2, "Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit." Compare Matthew 13:18-23, 1 John 2:2, John 15:6, "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." Compare Matthew 13:36-42, Revelation 20:11-15.
     
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    was asking if you hold to full Pelagian!
     
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    I believe your understanding is wrong.
    John 15:2, 1 John 2:2, John 15:6. Abiding in Christ is not a work but the status of the saved, 1 John 3:4-6.
     
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    Not at all. The dialogue from John 13 - 17 is all during the last supper in the upper room. Read your Bible.
     
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    I never said that Jesus chosen, abiding in Christ, was accomplished by works.
    You are making John 15 about salvation when it's not about salvation at all.
     
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    The word of God says in John 13:2, "And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him; . . ." BTW the false reading says "during."
     
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    We disagree on the meaning of John 15:6 and 1 John 3:6. As well as on general redemption and particular redemption being part of the general redemption.
     
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    Six hour warning
    This tread will be closed no sooner than 4 am EDT / 1 am PDT
     
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    Indeed we do. And I have explained to you precisely why you are wrong.
     
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    So in your opinion, you think he is wrong.
    In that case - just reply "Well, we will have to agree to disagree!"
     
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