Saved by Grace Alone, Justified by Faith Alone

As I have said many times and you are aware of the fact faith is not a work.

And here again we see that faith comes first then we are saved by Gods' grace.

And yet again salvation depends upon our faith.

You have done a great job here Austin. Your support for faith as a requirement for salvation is appreciated.

I am quite sure you know that the works James is speaking of are works that a person will do once they are saved not so they will be saved . But then again you do like to twist peoples words don't you.

Yes I agree you should let scripture speak for itself. God has said that we are saved by His grace IF we have faith in His son. So as you have shown faith comes first then grace for salvation. I added red and bold to help you see the truth of scripture.

 

I find that strange since it is God that says we have to have faith in His son before we are saved. True we have no "saving faith" we just have faith and then God saves us because of that faith.

 

Austin you can deny scripture all you want but when God say that faith is the requirement for salvation well I think we should trust He knows what He means. How you can not see what is right in front of you is amazing but you are determined to do so aren't you.

How many times must I repeat it to you before it sinks in. We are saved by Gods' grace because we trust in His son Christ Jesus. Perhaps if you should just read scripture instead of trying to read into scripture.

through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace Rom 5:2

Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace Rom 4:16

Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith Gal 3:8

Does the fact that scripture does not support your view offend you? It seems you want to deny what scripture says even when you have quoted the text.

 

Spiritual dead have faith?

 

Why do you think that the apostles were told to preach the gospel? Were not all those that heard dead in their sins? Do you really think God would hold someone responsible for not trusting in His son if they really did not have the God given ability to do so?

We are all separated from God due to our sin, but when the sinner places his trust in Christ Jesus, this separation from God due to sin is eliminated for that individual.{Eph_2:4-5; Eph_2:8-9}

And as the scriptures show that access is through faith.

through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace Rom 5:2

Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace Rom 4:16

Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith Gal 3:8

The scriptures are clear enough, you just have to accept what they say. God has not left us without the means of knowing and coming to Him. His creation points us to Him and the gospel lived out in Christians or the message itself will draw others to Christ Jesus.

Here is a verse that should help you understand better
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Notice it say through faith not so that we will have faith in Christ Jesus.

 

I suppose some Calvinists suppose the hearing causes the regeneration simultaneously with faith in some way. Romans 10:17.

 

As some Calvinists have put it you have to be regenerated/saved before you can have the faith to believe given to you by God. How they think that is biblical I am not sure. But then some say the regeneration does not mean saved so they have a bunch of ideas that do not fit with the bible.
I have conversed with a number of Calvinists and have yet to be given a compelling reason to think it is true.

 

So you still deny what scripture says. Faith is not a work {legal task} no matter what you call it. You keep saying that God does not require anything but the bible disagrees with you.

And as the scriptures show that access is through faith.

through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace Rom 5:2

Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace Rom 4:16

Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith Gal 3:8

The scriptures are clear enough, you just have to accept what they say.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith,
and that not of yourselves;
it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Salvation is the free gift of God. Think about this. If God just gave salvation to people for no reason then why all the conditional verses.

Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5:2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand...

I am not sure how much clearer Paul could have made it. We are justified by faith and have access by said faith into His {Gods} grace. What more can I say, it is right there in front of you.
I can appreciate that this must be hard for you to accept but the scriptures are the scriptures.

 

Well if you cannot or actually will not see what the plain text of scripture says then there is no more help that I can give you. Your refusal to accept text as written will be your judge.

God has set a requirement for salvation but you think otherwise so you have put yourself over God as to how someone is saved. That is a very dangerous place to stand but you have chosen to stand there. You seem determined to walk down that road, so be it.

 

You sound more Calvinistic than usual must be true that Arminians are Calvinist too
MB

 

@Silverhair's post #94 is a winner, and he's a synergist! Why is it that a 'free willer' can get 'justification' right but you Reformed/Calvinist types can't? The scripture is plain, there's more than just one element to our justification but 'you people' keep doggedly parroting the same erroneous mantra, justification by faith alone, justification by faith alone, justification by faith alone....

 

<sigh>

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfilment of the law. Ro 13

 

No the context is spot on. You're just too brainwashed/indoctrinated with your Calvinist dogma to make the clear connection from scripture, unfortunately for you.

Oh, but it most definitely does. Agape is the fulfillment of the law. It's just that simple. Too simple for you Calvinist clones to concede to. It's just gotta be more complex than that!

 

Why do you insist in avoiding the text. I notice you did not bold an important part of the text >>For by grace you have been saved through faith<< As long as you continue to ignore the text you will miss the truths of God.