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There is no Millennium according to Jesus

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  1. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine. Jesus taught a much different view of the Kingdom. Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom. Are you rejecting the gospel of the Kingdom in favor of the Pharisees?

    Also note, the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven are the same. “the kingdom of Heaven is at hand” (Matt. 4:17) = “the kingdom of God is at hand” (Mark 1:15)

    “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 5:3) = “Blessed are the poor, for yours is the kingdom of God” (Luke 6:20)

    “Among those born of women there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist, notwithstanding he who is least in the kingdom of Heaven is greater than him.” (Matt. 11:11) = “Among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist, but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than him.” (Luke 7:28)

    “the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 13:11) = “the mysteries of the kingdom of God” (Mark 4:11 cp. Luke 8:10)

    “the kingdom of Heaven is like a grain of mustard seed” (Matt 13:31) = “the kingdom of God...is like a grain of mustard seed” (Mark 4:30-31 cp. Luke 13:18-19)

    “The kingdom of Heaven is like leaven” (Matt. 13:33) = “the kingdom of God...is like leaven” (Luke 13:20)

    “Except you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 18:3-4) = “Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein” (Mark 10:15)

    “Allow little children, and do not forbid them to come to me, for of such is the kingdom of Heaven.” (Matt. 19:14) = “Allow the little children to come to me, and do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of God.” (Mark 10:14 cp. Luke 18:16)

    “a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 19:23) = “How hardly shall they who have riches enter into the kingdom of God!” (Luke 18:24)

    In other words, “kingdom of God” = “kingdom of Heaven.”


    The gospel of the kingdom


    Daniel said; “And in the days of these kings [Old Roman Empire] shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” Daniel 2:44 (NCPB)

    “And [Jesus] saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

    “And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

    “Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

    “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

    “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

    “Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

    “Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

    “And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

    “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

    “But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

    “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)

    “because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

    “Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

    “He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

    “When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

    “for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

    “I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)

    “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)

    “That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)

    “And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)

    “And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

    “who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son,” Colossians 1:13 (NCPB)

    “For the kingdom is the LORD’s: and he is the governor among the nations.” Psalm 22:28 (NCPB)

    “Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:” 2 Thessalonians 1:5 (KJV 1900)
     
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    I agree, but all the Scriptures you made reference to are about the Kingdom of God/Heaven. The Millennium is only mentioned in Revelation 20:1-10. I personally do not believe the 1,000 years in question when Satan is bound and the saints reign with Christ is a literal 1,000 year period. What is your view of the passage in Revelation?
     
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    Revelation 22:19, ". . . And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the tree of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
     
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    You are reading Phariseeism into Rev 20. If you believe the gospel of the kingdom, the 1000 years represent satan's binding. it's all there if you don't miss it.
     
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    A false interpretation does exactly that.
     
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    The 1000 years represent Satan's binding, not the Kingdom. Notice the years begin when he is bound and end when he is loosed. Take care not to read false prophecy into it.
     
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    The fullness of the Kingdom is the Millinium age /messianic age, the age not yet under the Lord Jesus , as that was foretold by the OT Prophets!
     
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    Satan has not yet been bound!
     
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    One of the promises to believers is that we will rule and reign with Him. That can only take place in reading the Revelation and seeing the fulfillment during the Millennium.

    I am amazed at how often folks will argue over the validity of and rendering of certain passages, yet when it comes to this passage they arrange some scheme to discredit the statements by removing their veracity.
     
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    “And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:Ephesians 2:6 (KJV 1900) If you take your blinders off, it's happening now.
     
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    No such is not happening now. The saints in this current Heaven are certainly not ruling, and believers are taken daily to the slaughter.

    There is only one time that the Christ, prophetic and apostles statements concerning the events of ruling and the glorious kingdom can be correctly applied are during the millennium.
     
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    Big Hint: We are Christ's body. He is seated on David's throne in heavenly Jerusalem above. Paul says we are seated (present tense). But this applies only to the born-again. Another big hint: Peter preaches on this at Pentecost. Be sure to read it in Chapter 2. Don't put the Pharisees above Christ.

    Also, consider:
    “And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

    Notice the Kingdom is now before the resurrection on the last day. While David remains buried.
     
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    If you don't mind my asking, what does this passage have to do with the Millennium?
     
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    I believe that we are in the "1,000 year" (very long time) period of Satan's bounding. I'm not sure what to make of Revelation 20:7-8, where Satan is released from prison to deceive the nations. As an Amillennial Partial Preterist, I believe this probably points to events that have already happened, but this is hard to understand.
     
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    It is in this last given Revelation of Jesus Christ the Millennium teaching is given by Jesus Himself through His sent messenger. The warning is explicit.
     
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    1 Peter 5:8-9, "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world."
     
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    I think the end is near, Satan having been loosed based on the state of the church.
     
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    Loosed already. Deception ongoing ever since.
     
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    I'm pretty sure Jesus did not actually address the subject.
     
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    Plainly, I do not give credence to those who do not take the Revelation as factual.

    These events happens prior to the return of the Christ. They have not happened; therefore, we are not in some human perception of the millennium.

    14And I looked and saw a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was One like the Son of Man, with a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand.15Then another angel came out of the temple, crying out in a loud voice to the One seated on the cloud, “Swing Your sickle and reap, because the time has come to harvest; for the crop of the earth is ripe.” 16So the One seated on the cloud swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.

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    Then another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18Still another angel, with authority over the fire, came from the altar and called out in a loud voice to the angel with the sharp sickle, “Swing your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the vine of the earth, because its grapes are ripe.”19So the angel swung his sickle over the earth and gathered the grapes of the earth, and he threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. 20And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and the blood that flowed from it rose as high as the bridles of the horses for a distance of 1,600 stadia.

    Where is the historical evidence of this occurring? There is none.

    The reaping happens before the millennium, not during and not after.


    God have mercy for anyone teaching differently then the veracity of Your Word.


     
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