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saltcity. from your last post, it seems you are insinuating that whoever is against the LISA program is not Pro-life. that's how i took it. it's a wrong assumtion.

reason: i don't think a church should count the unborn in the attendance roll. first of all, they are unborn. second of all, if the couple is part of the church, they should already be pro-life and nobody would have to worry about the unborn not being in attendance. so i said no for the first question.

now, what would happen within the LISA program?

depending on how it works on the inside. either way, i wouldn't say this is a 'gread ideal.' simply for the fact that the church body should already be pro-life, considering it's biblical in a way. (ie. thou shalt not murder)

in question three you have two answers that say the same thing. the second and third ones. i wouldn't not vote for it if that's what people really want. again i say, why would they want it if the church body is assumingly pro-life?

and i simply wouldn't be a teacher. i'm not the greatest in front of people. lol.

 

I would disagree with counting them in Sunday School attendance because that would actually reflect numbers which are untrue. The 'preborn' don't currently need a space or teacher.

I DO like the LISA class tho. We 'dedicated' the parents of 23 children after service today. Our church family is expanding so quickly that we have these 'dedication' services every couple of months.

Remember, Salty, that Baptist, especially SBC, are accused of being 'numbers' oriented. That would just add fuel to the fire.

We DO keep an idea of how many are soon to be born and have had to increase our nursery staff and rooms to prepare for those who'll be born soon.

Thanks again for the link and asking for my opinion.

Diane

 

In an adult Sunday School I wouldn't count an unborn baby in attendance, neither would I count a newborn if the mother brought it.

 

What would be the purpose of a LISA class? To teach the couples how to go through pregnancy? It might have some merit there. At any one time in my church we might have 3 or 4 couples who are expecting. There are times when there are none expecting.
We already have a class geared towards young couples with kids, which I would think expectant parents would benefit greatly from.

I wouldn't count the unborn in attendance either, but that doesnt mean I don't think they are alive. For all of the reasons stated by everyone else.

 

This is a dangerous "slippery slope". The implication is that if you don't count the unborn in attendance, then you're not really prolife. That's a ridiculous and accusatory implication.

 

I think many would only count people that were there to participate (hear, learn, discuss, etc).

 

I have not heard of this program. Perhaps you can give us more information or a link.

 

I would not count them for attendance unless you want to be consistent and pay double admitance at amusement parks, theaters, concerts, etc.

 

LOL. good one artimaeus!

 

Salty, what are you talking about? Counting the unborn (embryos?) into a Sunday School roll call? It sounds ghoulish. To me, Sunday School attendees have to be people, being able to listen, reason and respond. What are you talking about?! :type:

 

Isn't that kind of like counting your chickens before they're hatched? Yes, I know there's a big difference between chickens and humans, but I've never known anyone to count an unborn child as a member of their family until it's born--especially since they don't always know which gender it is since some choose to wait until it's born to find out. People don't say, "We have one child" when the unborn is the first. They say, "We have a child on the way", or something like that.

Yes, I believe that the unborn is a life--at least from the moment it's able to feel pain, and it's heart beats for the first time. However, my daughter carried a girl (her name would have been Amber, and she would be a teenager now) for nearly 8 months and then had a still-born. The doctors never figured out why she lost her. So the debate goes on as to when it's actually alive. Opinions are like heads; everyone has one.

 

I'm very pro-life, but I am worried about this idea because of safety measures. If the church building were to catch on fire, how would the responders know exactly how many persons to rescue? If they went by the church roll for that day, someone could end up risking their life to save an unaccounted for person who was actually safe in his mother's womb.

Also, how would you (if you did) enforce how and when ladies must reveal their pregnancy for benefit of the church roll call? I have friends who have miscarried and didn't want anyone to know they were expecting again until they made it through the first several months. I know from experience, nothing starts tongues wagging like news of a pregnancy. All the questions and unsolicited advice can get overwhelming at times, especially if there have been personal difficulties in the process.

What about an unmarried lady who doesn't wish to make her pregnancy public knowledge for various reasons?

Just something to think about.