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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by AustinC, Nov 26, 2021.

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  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    I prefer this song:
    Yield Not To Temptation

    1Yield not to temptation,
    For yielding is sin;
    Each vict’ry will help you,
    Some other to win;
    Fight valiantly onward,
    Evil passions subdue;
    Look ever to Jesus,
    He will carry you through.

    Refrain:
    Ask the Savior to help you,
    Comfort, strengthen and keep you;
    He is willing to aid you,
    He will carry you through.

    2 Shun evil companions,
    Bad language disdain;
    God’s name hold in rev’rence,
    Nor take it in vain;
    Be thoughtful and earnest,
    Kindhearted and true;
    Look ever to Jesus,
    He will carry you through.

    3 To him that o’ercometh,
    God giveth a crown;
    Through faith we will conquer,
    Though often cast down;
    He who is our Savior,
    Our strength will renew;
    Look ever to Jesus,
    He will carry you through.
     
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    If you ignore the story behind the song I guess you could say that.
     
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    The story behind the song still reveals bad theology. You can dress up a pig all you want, but in the end it's still a pig.
     
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    I don't think you understand Paul's position. You seem to think I teach sinless perfection like Wesley.

    It's too simple. We are rotten throughout. But with the Holy Spirit, we can keep our sinfulness confined to the temptation realm. The difference between us is experience. I've experienced what I teach for many years now. You obviously lack the experience. So you are stuck with nothing more than theory. It is not, sinless perfection, not even close.
     
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    LOL, you have no clue... :rolleyes:
     
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    Keep this in mind.
    “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” Hebrews 12:14 (KJV 1900)
     
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    Of course. I am not saying we abuse grace and don't discipline ourselves to obedience. I am saying that all humans fail in sin and temptation, therefore we do not surrender all to Jesus.
    The only human to ever fully surrender to God is Jesus himself. All others fall short. The Bible confirms this truth. That doesn't mean, however, that we just stop fighting against sin.

    Note that the sermon being given is a call and warning to those who may not yet have been made holy by the blood of Christ.
    Hebrews 12:14-15
    Work at living in peace with everyone, and work at living a holy life, for those who are not holy will not see the Lord. Look after each other so that none of you fails to receive the grace of God. Watch out that no poisonous root of bitterness grows up to trouble you, corrupting many.
     
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    You lack my experience in understanding and practicing what Paul preaches. I have the experience, you make excuses for lacking it. Don't teach people sin is OK and to be expected.
     
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    Well, your pride certainly isn't diminished and you certainly have no clue what I lack or do not lack.
    Second, nowhere do you find me teaching that sin is OK. That is your judgment of what I am saying. Do you actually think I am unaware of Romans 5 and Romans 6?

    Romans 5:20-21
    God’s law was given so that all people could see how sinful they were. But as people sinned more and more, God’s wonderful grace became more abundant. So just as sin ruled over all people and brought them to death, now God’s wonderful grace rules instead, giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    Romans 6:1-18,22-23
    Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more of his wonderful grace? Of course not! Since we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it? Or have you forgotten that when we were joined with Christ Jesus in baptism, we joined him in his death? For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives. Since we have been united with him in his death, we will also be raised to life as he was. We know that our old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin. For when we died with Christ we were set free from the power of sin. And since we died with Christ, we know we will also live with him. We are sure of this because Christ was raised from the dead, and he will never die again. Death no longer has any power over him. When he died, he died once to break the power of sin. But now that he lives, he lives for the glory of God. So you also should consider yourselves to be dead to the power of sin and alive to God through Christ Jesus. Do not let sin control the way you live; do not give in to sinful desires. Do not let any part of your body become an instrument of evil to serve sin. Instead, give yourselves completely to God, for you were dead, but now you have new life. So use your whole body as an instrument to do what is right for the glory of God. Sin is no longer your master, for you no longer live under the requirements of the law. Instead, you live under the freedom of God’s grace. Well then, since God’s grace has set us free from the law, does that mean we can go on sinning? Of course not! Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living. Thank God! Once you were slaves of sin, but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you. Now you are free from your slavery to sin, and you have become slaves to righteous living.

    But now you are free from the power of sin and have become slaves of God. Now you do those things that lead to holiness and result in eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Dave stop speaking from your prideful ignorance about me. You are clueless and judging from your ignorance.
    You may think you have perfected your walk with God. I really don't know. What I know is that I have met Christians who have a much higher opinion of themselves than they ought to have. Be careful about your own relationship with Christ. Don't imagine you know the path I am on and think you have achieved some higher enlightenment simply because I actually admit that I am incapable of submitting all to Jesus because Jesus keeps unpeeling the layers of my sin. (I feel like Paul in 2 Corinthians when those ignorant Corinthians attempt to push him to defend himself. Yes, in the illustration you are the Corinthian.) God's got me, Dave. I am good with God. Deal with your own sins.
     
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    Have you read the lyrics to that song carefully? How can it not be about surrendering all when the lyrics say "Make me, Savior, wholly Thine". Can you honestly sing this based on your complaints against it? And attacking repentant believers who defeat sin before it takes hold?
     
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    Scripture is nothing more than a Roarasach test God gives to many. But for some, it is a lamp unto their feet.

    “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” Hebrews 4:12 (KJV 1900)
     
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    I have read the lyrics. They are sentimental wishfulness coming from a faulty theology. If you ask me whether I can say "Make me, Savior, wholly Thine", I can say that as a prayer because it is a prayer for God to intervene and give gracious capacity where I cannot go on my own.
    God is more than capable. I am incapable. That's the point.
     
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    You do not understand Paul yet. It's a typical problem in Reformed circles. They expect to sin, Paul warns against it.
     
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    You have resorted to pithy projection. You have lost your argument.
     
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    The thing is, scripture supports me. It does not support you in this matter. You sin because you expect to. That is not faith and sin in itself.
     
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