Featured The Debate over Jesus' Bodily resurrection

I don't want to derail the discussion ... but I do not see any Beserk posts after #7. Seems like he's responding to you.

I could be all fouled up. Beserk seems to think so. Maybe he's right.

 

Somehow I am not following your comment?

is there something I need to do or say?

 

If you experience Christ in your heart, you tend to believe all that scripture says about your experience. No experience = no faith in the biblical sense.

 

LOL ... naw bro, we're good.

I'm sure the shortcoming is mine. It just seemed to me like you were responding to subsequent posts by the OP which I wasn't seeing, so I assumed since there was a bit of gnarly from Beserk's responses to mine before you engaged, I guessed I'd been blocked/ignored/whatever.

So ... to retrack. I think your posts on Jesus' bodily resurrection are right on! His glorified body is a model for what those of us who have placed our faith & trust in Him will be duplicating soon.

Jesus could have done that alleged space ghost thing, but He didn't. He did precisely as The Word said He'd do.

I liked your comment which bases Christianity upon the resurrection. If Christ wasn't resurrected, then Christianity is a farce ...

Folks whom the OP describes (and possibly himself given the responses) start with the latter point and try to build a case against the Resurrection. OP isn't the first, and certainly won't be the last as we get closer to Jesus' fulfilling the prophesy of His Return.

 

Man look

this stuff has been rehashed for decades

if you want to understand the events of the resurrection clearly then get the right reading materials ie A Harmony of the Gospels by K Easley is good. Btw, he was my NT professor and just passed about 3 yrs ago

all that stuff about near death is hogwash.

Hebrews says “it’s appointed once to die and after that the judgement”. When we die that’s it. There is no coming back.

you are not mostly dead but really dead. Kaput

Again, it’s the authority of Scripture at stake

people like D Piper should be ashamed to call themselves Ministers of the Gospel and mislead others while at the same time affirming the truth of Scripture


BTW, I did a several hundred word paper on His supposed 90 minutes in Heaven and the entire book was very uninspiring in fact I called it a fraud

Let God be true and every man a liar. I believe there is a Bible verse there!

grace and peace to you

 

Coast to Coast? Really?

please tell me that we have not stopped so low that we go there to develop and understand a Biblical Theology!

come on now, that’s laughable

 

"Inconsistencies" might be the result of flawed interpretation.

Let us consider item one (1) above.

In John 20:1-10 no mention of angels. Does that mean angels did not appear to other visitors? Nope.
Does Matthew 28:1-5 say an angel appeared to Mary Magdalene. Nope. Had the stone been rolled away before the women got there? Yes, so the account is consistent with John 20. And did the angel address every one of the women? Nope, so if the angel addressed the other women in the group, rather than Mary Magdalene, the accounts mesh. Bottom line, when Mary Magdalene "first" visited the tomb, with the other women, she did not see any angels. In Mark 16:5, the "fhey" could refer to the other women and not to MM, so whether the "young man" was an angel or not, she did not learn the whereabouts of Jesus from him. As far as Luke 24:4, the perplexed women who had entered the tomb, reported seeing two men standing, rather than one young man sitting. Perhaps one of the women reported to Mark her observation of one sitting, while another reported to Luke of two standing. Nothing to write home about...

 

Just to be crystal clear

there are also Non-Christians who write about the resurrection in the 1st and 2nd centuries, and how the Church not only believed it, but also preached it as if to dare anyone to doubt it

it was a focal point of preaching in the NT. Example: Paul’s Sermon in Acts 17, I Cor 15; and on and on and on in the NT

notice- Non Christians ie Non-Believers

the resurrection is not some novel whipped up idea

people who doubt it, do themselves a great disfavor ie the Bible says that they will suffer a literal hell- as in real, not fake, where the fire is never quenched and the worm dieth not!!

burning forever and ever, sulphur and everything

yes that bad. Horrible eternity

with no hope

 

There have also been many unbeliever who have investigated the integrity of Scripture and found it incredibly solid and we’re converted from foolishness to true Christian faith

 

There is nothing to affirm your position hence nothing to deny

the Biblical text is historical at that point giving direct testimony to the events as they happened

BTW, I am at work, and I really need to jump out at this point

as per your accusations about my scholarship or lack thereof, I have pointed you to the Biblical Text and to reading material which may assist with better understanding. I did not however, embrace, recommend nor allude to Coast to Coast

good day

grace and peace

Romans 5:1

 

Boy I’ll tell ya someone is full of themselves likely not to last long around here

 

Where does the following fit?

a prophet, therefore, being, and knowing that with an oath God did swear to him, out of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, to raise up the Christ, to sit upon his throne, “he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. Acts 2:30,31

To be understood relative to; Acts 13:34 “And that He raised Him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, He has spoken thus:‘I will give you the sure mercies of David.’[fn] - and - Rom 6:9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.

Also I believe the following should be considered.

Acts 2:31 spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption ------ Considering the word, nor. Doesn't that imply the resurrection to be a combination of things?
Do we see the same in the, "resurrection," chapter? 1 Cor 15:35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?”

Soul in body?

 

Jesus Himself address them as not being a ghost, but glorified flesh and blood!

 

Who are you? Why should we be concerned with your judgment on this? It takes a lot of arrogance to show up to a site where you know no one and question this. Ultimately you have not made the case why your judgement is to be of concern. The op is sophomoric at best. It certainly hasn’t proven any inconsistencies only unsubstantiated claims.

 

I am going to say this straight forward and it is def going to come across as unloving and uncaring. For that I ask for your forgiveness

1. Progressives = Marxists

2. I do not care about their theology other than they are misleading millions ensuring their eternal doom

3. I am much too busy to address all of this. I would have to go back and spend 3-4 hours You say you seem to care then do something about it. I have given you the titles of books w Authors. Go to Amazon or abebook.com

4. I told you at the beginning that I have not always been a believer. Those from my hometown still do not believe that I am a believer and I was converted to Christ in 1983 (baptized in Wms AZ while a member of Grand Canyon Baptist).

5. Again, I do not have time for foolishness. I get up between 3:45 and 4:30 every morning, work a 50 hr job, drive one hour both ways. I usually go to bed around 9 pm. After having contacted the mission pastors and are typically in contact with them from about 4:15 am til 7 am when I walk into work.

I also have a men’s Bible Study which I thoroughly enjoy! We are starting Men Called by God by James M Boice. It’s a study of the lives of Abraham, Moses and David. I would suggest it to you and everyone in here!

then there is normal Bible Study for me and did I mention that I love football? Yes, there are really only 2 seasons. Football and depression due to no football. Just kidding though sometimes I am sure that I place too much emphasis on it in my personal life

I am also involved in international ministries which are much more important to me than someone wanting to stir up endless bantering with someone I do not know. If you were Salty, or Mitchell, it would be different. They would have legitimate questions and teachable concerning the things of God.

there are a couple of people on here who seem to enjoy constant bantering w those who only want to stir up strife

I would suggest a few other books for you

the Collapse of Evolution by Scott Huse

Bitesize Theology

Systematic Theology James P Boyce

the Crossway Series of Seeing Jesus in John, Matthew, Genesis and Psalms. It’s part of an Exposition series

any work by AW Pink

maybe your “friends” would benefit from some of these works?

again, grace and peace to you.

you have been challenged to look for yourself

have a great day

Romans 5:1