Featured Is believing/faith a work ?3

1 Corinthians 1 says that God was well pleased, through the foolishness of the message preached, to save those who believe.

This salvation comes after belief, according to this passage.

I believe God Holy Spirit must intervene in a person’s life, regenerating the person’s nature, convicting of sin and the truth of Jesus’s life, death, resurrection, and that person will respond with faith entering into a right relationship with God at that point.

peace to you

 

Nonsense. I am conditioning salvation on the specific passage of 1 Corinthians 1, which states God was well pleased, through the foolishness of the message preached, to save those those who believe.

“ ….Save those who believe….”

Address that passage. Otherwise, you are just giving your opinion. It’s your opinion that is contrary to scripture.

peace to you

 

Here's what I see in 1 Corinthians 1:1-2,4-9,26-31.

Paul, called by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and our brother Sosthenes, To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours: I give thanks to my God always for you because of the grace of God that was given you in Christ Jesus, that in every way you were enriched in him in all speech and all knowledge— even as the testimony about Christ was confirmed among you— so that you are not lacking in any gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

You simply referenced 1 Corinthians 1, but it seems in reading that God does the calling and the choosing of everyone who believed. Please explain your position from this chapter.

 

Why did you leave out 1 Corinthians 1:21? If you read the whole chapter, then you intentionally left out the passage I was referring to.

Why not quote and specially address “God was well pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those that believe”.

The phrase “Save those that believe” indicates the belief/faith comes prior to salvation.

You accused me of believing a works based salvation. I’m giving you this passage to support what I said and you promptly ignored it.

Just show me from 1 Corinthians 1:21 that I believe a works based salvation.

peace to you

 

I didn't know you were only referring to one verse and not the chapter. Vs 21 didn't stand out.
Here's the section I missed.
1 Corinthians 1:20-25

Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

I will argue that the whole chapter shows you that your one verse is not telling you the order of salvation, but it is saying that the saved also believe.
Why do they believe? The verses I quoted in the chapter tell you.
God called them and God chose them.

 

Again, nonsense. I have clearly stated that salvation is a work of God start to finish. Within God’s “work”, a person will respond with faith. They do not have a right relationship with God without faith.

You are near the hyper view that people are “saved” whether they have faith or not.

peace to you

 

Are you saying people are “saved” without faith in Christ?

peace to you

 

Here is what the Bible says. I will highlight the section in red that one must wrestle with.

But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
~ Ephesians 2:4-9

The verses 4 and 5 clarify the later verse that everyone likes to quote..."For by grace you have been saved through faith."
Notice the first declaration is what God did (the cause), even when we were dead. The second declaration expands on what God did (the cause is saved by God's grace) and moves to the effect of God's gracious saving (faith responds to the gracious work by believing).
So, even when we were dead, God made us alive by His grace alone. By God's grace alone we are given faith to believe what God graciously did.
Grace causes faith as the effect of being saved.

God says it. It's not me making it up. The text tells us.

This is what I hold to because God tells us this in His Word.

Peace

 

Paul consistently places God as the cause and faith as the effect. I will quote all of Paul's one sentence so it captures his thought and then highlight the specific part of the sentence.

2 Timothy 1:8-12
Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord, nor of me his prisoner, but share in suffering for the gospel by the power of God, who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, for which I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher, which is why I suffer as I do. But I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed, and I am convinced that he is able to guard until that Day what has been entrusted to me.