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another weak strawman argument! tell me what is wrong with, "JM USED to deny"???

 

like we don't care what you say on here!

 

Thanks for the charity you have displayed.

Are you aware you don't have to reply to my posts if you don't care what I have to say?

 

Hardly a strawman. I am just asking why MacArthur is appealed to as an expert. The guy botched up one of the basic tenets of Christianity. If he led his flock into error (a quite serious one) for years, why should anyone take what he says seriously now?

 

Is Paul's teaching on this matter absolute?

 

Thank you.

1944 article on the highly regarded Capitol Hill Baptist Church (which has been "always doctrinally conservative", see "Our History" page on its website), commending several Sunday School teachers' long ministries:

"Several men's Bible classes have been taught by women. One class, taught by Miss Gertrude Smith, had to disband because all its members are in the armed services. Women teaching 25 years or more are Miss Frances Guschewsky, Miss Florence Gravatte and Mrs. Daniel C. Shankle."


Frances Guschewsky and her class photographed on the steps of Capitol Hill Baptist Church, appeared in same newspaper two decades earlier, in 1925:

 

I most certainly consider context in every passage of scripture.

The context of 1 Timothy and instructions regarding leadership cannot be separated from Paul’s reference to the creation and the fall as the reason women are prohibited from teaching or having authority over the men.

I context of the Corinthian letters is quite different. As mentioned, this was a church with real problems concerning disruptions during the worship service. That is the context of Paul’s instructions on tongues, interpretations, women keeping silent and covering their heads as a show of submission to leadership.

peace to you

 

I have never heard anyone argue that the office of pastor is anything other than the office of bishop. Your female aSS teachers clearly do not meet the criteria for the office of bishop.

 

I consider it in both places.
Did you listen to JMac? I am not going to spend 30 minutes typing what he lays out in detail.

 

But didn't "sin enter the world through one man"?

 

He lays out the Scriptural case. You listened to it?

 

1 Corinthians 14:33-35 ESV
For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, [34] the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. [35] If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

I have no idea how anyone can misunderstand this.
"As in all the Churches .....Women ...are not permitted to speak."
How can you not understand that?

 

Noted and accepted. Thanks for clarifying.

I’ve been having this discussion for more than 25 years, right after I was saved I began a NT class at a local college. The prof brought these same issues of cultural context up. I kept coming back to the fact Paul gave his reason for prohibiting women from teaching or having authority over men as based on the creation and the fall.

Finally, he told me that he “disagreed with Paul’s interpretation of the OT”. I was astonished. I said “but Paul was an Apostle”. He responded, “Paul thought he was an Apostle”. So he knew what scripture said, but refused to accept it.

I dropped the class.

I have come to realize that this discussion isn’t really about women being pastors. This discussion is about the authority of scripture.

So I’ll ask you, do you accept Paul’s interpretation of the OT as it pertains to male leadership in the church?

peace to you