Would you be heaven bound if?

number 3 was a tough one.

only God knows the heart of man. it depends on where the persons heart is at.

if the person has fallen into temptation unwillingly. then i dont know.

i really dont know for 3. the rest i answered. of course... oh that was pointless to say. duh! im tired...

 

Why is no. 3 hard? Either all your sins are forgiven or not. I believe a saved person could commit suicide and would still go to heaven, because they are forgiven.

 

The classical example (IMO) is:
If you are a Christian [believer] and one day you are hammering nails and you hit your thumb and yell a profanity, then immediately a bolt of lightning strikes you dead, are you still going to heaven?

I think the answer is Yes. Christians DO commit sins, and I don't think salvation depends on fortunate or unfortunate timing.

 

I agree with Marcia and Alcott.

 

ok:

is Ananias and Sapphira in heaven then?

 

how bout this:

you in the middle of givin into temptation of committing adultury (any kind - lust or whatev.) and in the middle of it - you get a heartattack and die...

where you gon' end up?

 

you think a judge gon' let you off just cause you say you sorry for the crime?

think again brotha. you gon' be convicted straight upside the head.

course you gon' be sorry. that's a given. but God aint gon' let you off just cause you come to him and say you sorry. uh uh. not gonna happen.

you dont think so? read the word bro' and sis'
its in there.

 

even if you're truly honestly really really sorry... the judge won't let you go...

so ya can't use that line...

 

Gekko,

That sounds a lot like salvation by being perfect, not salvation by grace.

 

I agree with Marcia, we're either covered by the blood of Christ or we aren't, if you beleive in grace, unmerited, unearned favor with God, bought by Christ;s sacrifice, then theres no chance of going anywhere but heaven. It's not about me, it's about Him.

 

gekko, the whole idea of salvation is that we do NOT have to pay for our sin. God is the judge, and we were found guilty. Jesus paid the penalty for us.

I agree with Marcia!

 

NNE goes to hell because of sin. Jesus tasted death for all (Hebrews 2). All sin was ATONED for, or paid for on the cross.

People go to hell for refusing to believe, either in the promise of God regarding a Messiah or the historical fact of Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior (depending on which side of the cross you are on historically). Jesus is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8), so there is no man whose sin has sent him to hell.

It is a matter of belief or unbelief -- John 3:16-18 etc. -- understanding that, biblically, 'belief' is not simple intellectual acknowledgement, but rather the total casting of oneself upon God and the giving up of one's own abilities regarding one's eternal destination or way of living now.

 

Them words you just writ ain't in there, Gik. Shows 'em to us if they is.

 

Sin will not send a person to hell?

Belief = Faith

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Sin will send a man to hell.

 

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

amen

 

never said we had to pay for our sin... did i.

what is required of us for God to give us grace?
you people say nothing.

so i could be a whoremonger, murderer, liar and what not, and still recieve God's grace?

no. God resisteth the proud, giveth grace to the humble.

God will not withhold any good from them that walk uprightly.

we are saved by grace. no doubt about that. but there are things that need to be in our life for us to have grace.

grace is a free gift... to those who walk uprightly. to those who are humble. to those who are reptenant towards God. don't make sense?

James 4, psalms 84:11... some others i can't remember this early in the morning...

i believe we're either covered by the blood of Christ or we aint. there's no grey area.

but the bible clearly states that God will withhold grace from us if we do not walk uprightly, if we are not humble, and if we do not have a repentant heart...

its the holy spirit through us helping us to do those things, nothing of our own.

one cannot live an unrighteous life, then accept Christ and his "unmerited grace", and still live an unrighteous life. no. God will not give grace to the unrighteous... otherwise everyone will go to heaven.

i agree. Jesus did pay the penalty for us. paid the fine. now, read this anecdote:

you see someone holding up a $20 bill and offering it to you. and you think in your head that that money is yours - is it truly yours? or do you have to take action and go and get the $20 bill?

 

ok. so i wrote that this morning and didn't have time to send it this morning... so i sent it just now