Featured Did Jesus take on the wrath of God as propitiation for our sin?

We do, but you just keep on rejecting them as being "pagan and child abuse"

 

It was the Eternal plan of God to Have the Messiah be put to death as the sin bearer for his own people, to purchase them back by His own shed blood, NOT due to world or evil, but do to our own sins!

 

NOT when one rejects the wrath of God!

 

The Psa has been held by both reformed and Calvinist Baptists as derived from the scriptures, and somehow NT Wright and his ilk are now trying to undue all of that!

 

So what happened to that Bowl of wrath being stored up by God then?

 

Of course I did.

Does God love perfectly?

Here is the NIV presenting 1John 4:

There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
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Neither @JonC nor I do not recognize the sorrow of the Lord.
We acknowledge the suffering.

We do not attach such things as fear, sting of death, victory of the grave, and other embellishments, for Christ is the victorious one.

Knowing all down to the Molecular level of each blow, each thorn, each strip did not fear the Lord, but the body reacted just as any other’s would, which again is a sign of his total humanity. The tears were real, the pain enormous, the responsibility that which only the fullness of God could sustain,”for the wages of sin is death;” however, He did not die by such wages.

He laid His life down, and He took it up, for it is impossible for God to die.

There was no wrath from God, for God was on the cross doing all that was abundantly necessary to conquer as that victorious King.

This was His destiny, the reason for coming, and having fulfilled the mission, now is again exalted above all.

John, Paul, Peter, report no where concerning the wrath of God being poured out upon Christ.

If it is that big a foundational view, then all of them would have made much of that thinking, but they didn’t even present the work of the crucifixion in such terms.

 

The Scriptures state, “Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of Sin.”

Where is the “wrath of God in that statement?

The suffering was by human hands, the decrees standing against believers were nailed to the cross, the blood brought the forgiveness.

Where there is FORGIVENESS there is NO wrath.

 

I agree, however, this isn’t all that you and others have been presenting.

The legal obligations, according to Paul were nailed to the cross (Colossians 2).

As you state, the blood was sufficient to satisfy the Father.

Where there is satisfaction, there is no Wrath.

 

Only in your mind.

 

Rather than piling on questions, ask them individually that they may be attended.

I wonder of the threads have not already attended to them, but I will be very great full for you to bring them forth individually that individually they be responded.

 

Wrath of God certainly did not vanish, is still being stored up, and will be poured out upon the ungodly rebelliousness yet to come.

Romans does NOT teach God poured His Wrath out upon the Son.

 

No, my friend, @JonC gave the very standard definition of atonement taught by nearly all, even those of the world.

Synonyms for atonement are: to bring reconciliation, to bring appeasement, to pacify, to cover over.

It is the authority of our Sovereign God to overlook, cover, … sin.

It was His authority that established the Law.

It was The Law that held decrees against humankind.

Such decrees were nailed to the cross (Colossians 2).

 

You are mistaken.

the cup of wrath was given to humans who were a dare in rebellion.

No prophecy states the anointed, the savior, was given the cup of wrath by God.

 

Please clarify the red bolded.
Do you think the I Am overlooked or covered our sin in the death of Jesus?

Isaiah 53:4-5

Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed.

 

However, such propitiation did not come by God pouring out His Wrath upon the Son.

“Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.” This is true.

The Scriptures states that Hod takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked.
Only the wicked have Wrath of God poured out upon them.
So either Christ was wicked and therefore God was wrathful, or Christ was pure and the sacrifice pleasing to God and therefore no wrath.


It cannot be both, but one or the other.

 

Psalm 79

9Help us, O God of our salvation,
for the glory of Your name;
deliver us and atone for our sins,
for the sake of Your name.
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His Sovereignty provides covering should He desire.

Jeremiah 18:

23But You, O LORD, know all their deadly plots against me.
Do not wipe out their guilt
or blot out their sin from Your sight.
Let them be overthrown before You;
deal with them in the time of Your anger.​

His Sovereignty provides covering should He desire.

 

Humans did not punish christ for our sin. They could not touch Christ, Unless God allowed it.

Look at history. God used humans all the time to pour his wrath on Israel. During the tribulation, He will humans to pour out his wrath on this earth.

Gods wrath is against sin. If there is no payment for sin (no wrath) your still dead in your sin.

 

This is untrue, for two reasons.

Pagans offered their own children as sacrifice material, but God did not allow for such. (Leviticus 18:21). For the wrath of God to be the appeased by the sacrifice of the Son is in fact a pagan application to the crucifixion.


The “cosmic child abuse” isn’t far from what is presented by PSA. For it does make much of the wrath of God being poured out in vengeful rage upon His Son.

Humanly speaking that is child abuse.

Neither @JonC nor I use such terms, for such is not words used other then incite emotions, and because we hold that God did not pour out Wrath upon the Son.

 

Gods wrath is targeted against the sin of rebellion.

I never stated humans punished Christ for our Sins!

Humans punished Christ. Period.

Sin was forgiven by the flood shed.

Transgression of the Law was resolve by GOD nailing them to the cross (Colossians 2)