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Four things we may observe at the cross

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  1. Martin Marprelate

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    Since Easter is upon us, I thought it might be good to have some sort of contemplation of the cross.

    I want to look at four important things that we can observe there.

    1. At the cross we observe the awful nature of sin, and the wages it pays. At the cross we observe Man’s inhumanity to Man. Here was one who had gone about doing good. He gave sight to the blind, healing to the leper, food to the hungry; yet ordinary people could be persuaded to cry out, “Crucify Him!” and insist that a criminal be freed and the sinless one condemned. It is interesting to observe that the pagan philosopher Plato declared that if ever an entirely perfect man should exist, people would put him to death at once, because he would show them up.

    ‘Why, what hath my Lord done?
    What makes this rage and spite?
    He made the lame to walk,
    He gave the blind their sight.
    Sweet injuries! But they at these
    Themselves displease and ‘gainst Him rise.


    And not content with merely killing him, the same ordinary people must mock him and rail against Him as He hangs upon the cross (Mark 15:29-30; Psalm 22:7-8). Should we be surprised? I think not. Were there not ordinary, outwardly decent people living in Germany at the time of the War who became S.S. Officers or Commandants of Concentration camps and participated in the deaths of millions? Could not ordinary people in Ruanda be persuaded to rise up against their neighbours and hack thousands of them to death with machetes? What about Bosnia? And Syria? Are not somewhat similar things going on at this very moment in the Ukraine? Truly the heart of man, ‘Is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked. Who can know it?’ (Jeremiah 17:9).

    The Bible tells us that sin separates us from God. Almost the first act of Adam and Eve when they fell into sin was to hide themselves from God, and Cain, after he had murdered his brother decalred, “I shall be hidden from Your face!” And sin has cursed the world. Unbelieving people often ask Christians, “Where is your God of love in the midst of all the suffering and pain in the world? I can’t see Him! What about all these floods and earthquakes? Why doesn’t God do something about them?” Suffice it to say for the moment that we need to understand that the world is not as it was made when God pronounced it, “Very good” (Gen 1:31). It is fallen, because of sin (Gen 3:17), and in among the wonder and the beauty of it, there is ugliness and hardship, disease and death (cf. Rom 8:20ff). ‘The wages of sin is death’ (Rom 6:23). So when Christ suffers and dies upon the cross, He is paying the wages of sin - not His own, for He had none. No, He was, ‘In all points tempted [or ‘tested’] as we are, yet without sin’ (Heb 4:15). He had no sins to answer for, but He answered for us: ‘Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree’ (2 Peter 2:24).

    2. At the cross we see the absolute holiness and inflexible justice of God. There are two things that we need to know about God that seem to be forgotten by much of the professing Church today.

    Firstly, He is holy; utterly, utterly holy; totally separate from sin. The very first thing that the Apostle John wants to tell us in his first letter, after speaking of his personal witness of our Lord on the earth, is the purity and holiness of God. ‘This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him there is no darkness at all’ (1John 1:5). Therefore God can have no association with sin. The prophet Habakkuk declares of Him, ‘You are of purer eyes than to behold evil, and cannot look upon wickedness’ (Hab 1:13).

    The second thing we need to know is that God is utterly righteous; He must judge and punish sin. In Psalm 7:11, the Holy Spirit declares, “God is a just judge…..” I’m sure that every professing Christian will agree with that, but there’s more: “……And God is angry with the wicked every day.” God’s anger against sin is unrelenting and it is also righteous. Sin must be paid for. If, as you leave church tomorrow, you have the misfortune to bang into someone else’s car, then you and the other driver are going to survey the damage and you will think, even if you do not say, “Someone’s going to have to pay for this!” And if you have caused the accident then you or your insurance company are indeed going to have to pay. That is justice- the guilty party pays. Even secular people agree with that principle. People often become furious when guilty people are let off with a fine or a suspended sentence when they should have been sent to jail. The Daily Mail is constantly fulminating against such things. “Where’s the justice?” People ask when some poor child has been killed by a drunken driver who gets away with a driving ban and a few months’ community service. So it is right and proper that God should extract the full penalty for sin- death! Eternal separation from God in hell. ‘The soul who sins shall die’ (Ezek 18:4).

    If that were the whole story, then there would be no hope for any of us, because, ‘There is none righteous, no, not one’ (Rom 3:10). We all deserve eternal punishment from God. But, praise His name, that is not the whole story:-

    3. On the cross we see God’s plan of Redemption. God is not only holy and righteous, He is also love. He does not want to punish sinners. ‘”Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” Says the LORD God, “And not that he should turn from his ways and live?……..For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the LORD God, “Therefore turn and live!”’ (Ezek 18:23, 32). 2Sam 14:14 tells us that, ‘God devises ways so that a banished person does not remain estranged from Him.’ How can God be just and yet pardon guilty, hell-deserving sinners?

    Only through the Lord Jesus Christ. He has taken upon Himself the debt for sin that we cannot pay. He has taken the punishment that we deserve. ‘….He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him’ (Isaiah 53:5). The prophet Nahum asked (Nah 1:6), ‘Who can stand before [God’s] indignation? And who can abide in the fierceness of His anger?’ Only the Lord Jesus Christ. There on the cross, all our sins were laid upon His sinless shoulders. ‘For [God] made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us’ (2Cor 5:21). He was made the very epitome of sin and the Father, who cannot look upon sin, turned away. As a sign of this, the sky was darkened and He hung there desolate and forsaken with the baying, jeering mob all around Him; the people mocking, the Pharisees gloating and even the other men on the cross reviling Him (Mark 15:32). The Apostles’ Creed says, ‘He descended into hell.’ This is hell - pain, darkness and separation from God. ‘These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power’ (2 Thessalonians 1:9). And Christ, the sinless, the innocent one suffered it all that we might be spared it.

    He suffered anguish that we might know the joy of sins forgiven.
    He was cast out that we might be brought in.
    He was treated as an enemy that we might be welcomed as friends.
    He surrendered to hell’s worst that we might attain heaven’s best.
    He was stripped that we might be clothed with righteousness.
    He was wounded that we might be healed.
    He was made a shameful spectacle that we might inherit glory.
    He endured darkness that we might experience eternal light.
    He wept that all tears might be wiped from our eyes.
    He groaned that we might sing songs of praise.
    He endured all pain that we might know endless health.
    He wore a crown of thorns that we might wear a crown of victory.
    He bowed His head that we might lift up ours in heaven.
    He died that we might live forever. [Taken from The Valley of Vision by Arthur Bennett].

    You see, there is a second part to the verse quoted just now. ‘He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him’ (2Cor 5:21). Just as our sins were laid upon Him, so His perfect righteousness and obedience are credited to us who believe. This is complete salvation. When God, the Judge of all the earth, looks at Christians, He doesn’t see fallible sinners, struggling and all-too-often failing to keep His laws (Rom 7:14ff); He sees us as clad in the perfect robe of righteousness wrought for us by our Saviour (compare Isaiah 64:6 with 61:10).

    No one should imagine for one moment that the Lord Jesus was an unwilling victim of the Father. “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself” (John 10:17-18). Nor should we suppose that by dying on the cross the Lord Jesus extracted from the Father a salvation that He was reluctant to give. ‘In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins’ (1John 4:10). It is true, and gloriously so, that the Father gave the Son. It is equally true and equally glorious that the Son gave Himself willingly. Let us not find conflict where none exists.
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    4. On the Cross we see the Love of God. You see, Christ’s sufferings were not in vain. After the three hours of darkness, at the ninth hour, the sun came through again; atonement had been made, justice had been satisfied, and Mark tells us that Jesus, ‘Cried out with a loud voice’ (Mark 15:37). John tells us what that cry was: “It is finished!” (John 19:30); “It is done!” "It has been paid for!" The sins of His people had been paid for. ‘And though the LORD makes His life a guilt offering, He will see His offspring (or ‘seed’) and prolong His days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in His hand. After the suffering of His soul, He will see the light of life and be satisfied; by His knowledge My righteous servant will justify many, and He will bear their iniquities’ (Isaiah 53:10-11, NIV).

    So when people ask us, where is the love of God in the world, we must tell them that they are looking in the wrong place. In the world we see the might, the wisdom and the provision of God, but it is on the cross that we see His love. It is there that we must bid people look, and if they look sincerely, they will surely find it (Deuteronomy 4:29; Isaiah 45:22; Zechariah 12:10; John 3:14-15). ‘He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also give us all things?’ (Rom 8:32).

    ‘Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God’ (Heb 12:2). The joy set before Him was that of redeeming His people, but now He is no longer on the cross, but reigning in heaven, and He tells us, ‘Everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet’ (Matt 22:4, NIV); the price is paid. But the Bible also says something else. ‘How shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation?’ (Heb 2:3). The Lord Jesus Christ is not just a lifestyle accessory, an optional extra that you can add to your life or not as you please. Not at all! ‘Of how much worse punishment , do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which He was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of Grace?’ (Heb 10:29). It’s not a matter of life or death; it’s much more important than that. If Christ does not pay for your sins, then you must pay for them yourself, and though you spend an eternity in hell, you will still not have paid in full. ‘See that you do not refuse Him who speaks.’ Christ is speaking to you now through His word. He bids you repent and trust in Him for salvation (Mark 1:15). Will you not hear?

    Christ calls to you, “Look to Me and be saved all you ends of the earth!” (Isaiah 45). Look to Him! See Him bleeding and dying, alone and forsaken on the cross and believe that it was for you that He suffered. Turn from your sins, turn from your old life and come to Christ for salvation. ‘And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let Him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come Whoever desires let him take the water of life freely’ (Rev 22:17).
     
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    Well said and presented. Timely reminder. Thank you.
     
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    This is good, Martin.

    But I do wish you could escape from the clutches of the "substitution" thinking, and see that the Lord was never a substitute for anything.

    He was the archetype of all presentations.

    As such, the crucifixion was not an act of substitution, but of satisfaction.

    Also, don't forget that there is more than one Greek word used that the English translators rendered as - "for."

    As such, too often, "in my place" in the substitute thinking is suggested, when that is not the true meaning presented.

    I'll illustrate using an American criminal court.

    Three actors - judge, prosecutor, and defense.

    Form the call, "this court is now in session, " two of the actors are not allowed to address the defendant (the one charged with a crime). Only the defense lawyer can have discussions with the defendant unless they both approve that the judge may ask of the defendant.

    Now all that is stated, because it shows what Paul is using in the selection you posted of 2 Corinthians translated "for."

    The defense does not substitute for the defendant, but speaks for - in the place, for the benefit, in support of... the defendant.

    In another place, the Scriptures actually use the word "advocate" when it tells of the believer's relationship with Christ.

    I realize that you will reject what I present, but, it does remain factual, and more true to the Scripture presentation than that of substitution thinking.

    And, what is really exciting, is not only does satisfaction bring greater consistency, but it actually highlights a clearer message concerning the crucifixion and the statements of the prophets and Christ.

    I am knowing that you will work through this in your own time, and maybe some years from now when I am long crossed over, you will remember us discussing this little change. It will strengthen your presentation, for sure and certain.

    "He is risen indeed!"
     
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    In fact, I made an effort not to include the words 'Penal' or 'Substitution' in my post because I wanted to avoid the very discussion we are having now. However, your post goes to show that to use the words is not necessary; PSA is in the very warp and woof of the Atonement.
    Your analogy of the law court does not stand up to scrutiny. No earthly defense lawyer is going to stand up and say that the defendant must be acquitted, even though he is plainly guilty, because he, the lawyer, has paid the penalty for the crime in full. The Lord Jesus Christ is our perfect advocate because He has Himself provided full satisfaction to the Father's justice (Hebrews 10:12 etc.). He is our perfect High Priest because He has offered the one perfect, acceptable sacrifice for sin (1 Peter 1:18-19). He is our perfect Mediator because He has done everything necessary to reconcile us to God (2 Corinthians 5:18-21).

    As I read through your posts, I feel that your main objections to Penal Substitution are sentimental. You struggle with the idea that God would punish the Lord Jesus. My answer to this is threefold: first of all, Christ is not punished for anything He has done; it is sin, our sin, that is punished in Christ, upon whom all our sins have been laid (Isaiah 53:5-6; John 1:29; 1 Peter 2:24).
    Secondly, to be our Substitute ('Mediator,' 'Surety' if you prefer) was not something forced upon the Lord Jesus by the Father; our Lord willingly took on the job (Psalms 40:6-8; John 10:17-18; Philippians 2:5-8; Hebrews 12:2).
    Thirdly, the Bible declares that the sufferings of our Lord were not something horrible or shameful, but glorious and wonderful (e.g. John 17:4-5; Revelation 5:8-12)
     
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    That is all that needed to be said, rather than trying to "spew" your own thinking. That is what commending someone's post looks like.
     
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    I gave him my thinking concerning the use of substitution rather than satisfaction. But it seems that you, too, do not find the essential work of Christ was that not of a substitute, but the archetype.

    Christ was never presented, ever, in Scripture as a substitute.

    I am not "arguing" with @Martin Marprelate merely pleading that by using in the foundation the word "substitution" the presentation is not as strong as that of using the word "satisfaction."
     
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    I also was attempting to avoid PSA, and that is why I looked through your posts and found it, good.

    Perhaps you do not understand that in the US, the judge and the prosecutor must talk to the defense attorney rather then the defendant. For example, when ask at the beginning of a criminal trial, how the accused pleads, the defense attorney is the one to answer for the defendant. They typically will say something like, "My client pleads not guilty." Unless the accused takes the stand (which they are not forced to do) the defendant is not directly addressed.

    This is exactly what the definition of the word "for" means in the Scripture that you quoted:
    Again, the "for" means on our behalf, in our stead, as a benefit.

    It does NOT mean "instead" which is what substitution defines.

    "on our behalf, in our stead, for our benefit" each attains the correct presentation as that of satisfactory. That not of a clerk substituting for the defense attorney but the defense attorney.

    Throughout all that you presented, the theme of the Satisfaction runs more in alignment and holds the Christ is a more perfect presentation.

    PSA really hasn't much to do with the conversation other then that of substitution.

    One could actually hold rather secure to the P Satisfaction Theory (not me) and at least present the more accurate statement of Scriptures.

    All that you presented in your post concerning the reason for the suffering of the Savior (I agreed He most certainly suffered) is central to satisfaction.

    Was God satisfied by the Son's crucifixion? Does not Isaiah present God was pleased? Satisfaction - not substitution

    What of the suffering? Was it not for our benefit, for our stead, on our behalf? Satisfaction - not substitution.

    What of the death and resurrection? Was it not for our benefit, for our stead, on our behalf? Satisfaction - not substitution.

    The benefit of Christ's death was we do not die but have eternal life.

    We are raised WITH Him. He was no substitute in the resurrection, but having full authority as our stead rose and we rise with Him.

    Some point to "on our behalf" as substitution. Not true. Rather "on our behalf" is as fully qualified to attend to all matters as a defense attorney, as one who can advocate with the opposition.

    For example: Does not the Scriptures state that the Word held forth is what quenches the devil's darts. That the Sword is the Scriptures?

    The Scriptures (Christ) does not "substitute" but is "for" (on our behalf, benefit, stead) the instruction, protection, and other matters in the believer's life.

    I could go on and on, showing many proofs, but you know the Scriptures and use them very well.

    All I am asking is that you make a truly consistent study from the original languages in this matter.

    Should you continue to maintain your presentation is accurate, that is fine. If nothing more, you will have gained understanding of why I hold to satisfaction and not substitution.

    Here is Isaiah presenting satisfaction in action:
    He was wounded for our ...
    He was bruised for our ...
    With His stripes we are ....

    Yet, does not Paul declare that we also should bear the marks, and that we are also as sheep lead to slaughter?

    Then, the work was not of substitution, for then we would not be wounded, bruised, stripped and striped, crushed even to death.
    The what was that Isaiah is presenting? Satisfaction - It pleased (or it was pleasing) God to crush (bruise) Him.
     
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    Psalm 85:10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.



    This is an utterly false and nonbaptist theology.



    We suffer for righteousness, not for sins.
     
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    Being "non baptist," and "utterly false" you could prove it by Scriptures.

    Until then it remains your opinion.
     
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    I have, time and again, and will yet again. It's so elementary a child could do it.

    2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

    Isaiah 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows

    Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

    Isaiah 53:8 For the transgression of my people was he stricken.



    As far as your assertions being nonbaptist,

    Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
     
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    Something we sometimes overlook is the conclusion of Psalm 22.

    But You, O Lord, be not far off;
    O You my help, hasten to my assistance.
    Deliver my soul from the sword,
    My only life from the power of the dog.
    Save me from the lion’s mouth;
    From the horns of the wild oxen You answer me.
    I will tell of Your name to my brethren;
    In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
    You who fear the Lord, praise Him;
    All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him,
    And stand in awe of Him, all you descendants of Israel.
    For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; Nor has He hidden His face from him;
    But when he cried to Him for help, He heard.

    From You comes my praise in the great assembly;
    I shall pay my vows before those who fear Him.
    The afflicted will eat and be satisfied;
    Those who seek Him will praise the Lord.
    Let your heart live forever!
    All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord,
    And all the families of the nations will worship before You.
    For the kingdom is the Lord’s
    And He rules over the nations.
    All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship,
    All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him,
    Even he who cannot keep his soul alive.
    Posterity will serve Him;
    It will be told of the Lord to the coming generation.
    They will come and will declare His righteousness
    To a people who will be born, that He has performed it.



    When we are forsaken to suffer whatever situation... whether loss, persecution, disease, death...we can look to the Cross and know God will deliver us.
     
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    This is not dissimilar to what goes on in a UK court. The defense lawyer speaks for the defendant; he speaks on his behalf; he speaks and the defendant doesn't; the lawyer speaks instead of the defendant conducting his own defense.

    The analogy is not perfect - few analogies are. It more represents the work of the Lord Jesus as our Great High Priest who ever lives to intercede for us. But what does He say? He doesn't present evidence that we are not guilty, because we very plainly are. Instead He shows the Father His pierced hands and feet, and says in effect, "I died for that one!" I took the punishment on his behalf; I suffered in his stead, instead of him. If he must suffer as wel, there was no point in M going to the cross!"
    Christ has indeed provided absolute satisfaction for God's outraged justice (Romans 3:26 etc.). He has assuaged God's righteous anger against sinful mankind (Isaiah 12:1-3). "Satisfaction" was a word much used by the Puritans to describe Christ's substitutionary sacrifice on the cross. A.W. Pink entitled his great work on Penal Substitution, The satisfaction of Christ. You can read it here: A. W. PINK COLLECTION THE SATISFACTION OF CHRIST The thought is not that Christ is satisfied (though He is - Isaiah 53:11; Hebrews 2:13b; 12:2), but rather that He has provided a satisfactory propitiation to the Father.
    It was all those things, but most importantly, He suffered and died instead of us. The Resurrection was His vindication; the evidence that God had accepted His sufferings in our place, as our representative.
    Satisfaction and substitution. I assure you that if Christ has not paid for your sins in full, you will have to pay for them yourself.
    Well, let us consider the Greek word huper, which certainly means 'for' and 'on behalf of,' but also very often carries the meaning 'instead of.'

    John 11:49-50. 'And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, "You know nothing at all, nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for [Gk. huper] the people, and not that the whole nation should perish."'

    Here, beyond any argument, huper certainly has the meaning of 'on behalf of,' but also of 'instead of.' One man should die for the people instead of all the people dying when the Romans come (v.48).
    He was wounded for our transgressions. He took the wounding for our transgressions instead of us.
    He was bruised for our iniquities. He suffered the bruising of crushing instead of us.
    With His stripes we are healed. His were the stripes; ours was the healing.
    The chastisement for our peace was upon Him. He got the chastisement; we get the peace.
    You are scratching around here. 'There is now therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.' Why not? Because He was condemned in our place. '....Who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification. Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.' Why do we have peace with God? Because the Lord Jesus was delivered up so that we never will be. That we have sadnesses and illnesses in this life, and may undergo persecution is due to the fact that we are still living in a fallen, sinful world. But according to Paul we 'glory in tribulations' because our eternal destiny is fixed and glorious because Christ has paid the penalty for our sins in full, instead of us.
     
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    Martin,
    I presented what I consider is consistent with the Scriptures.

    Substitute by the very form of the word indicates one that is not the archetype, but a temporary copy.

    I hold that the Lord was never a copy but copied. Never the substitute but the archetype.

    He therefore did not substitute (instead) but as the archetype was the stead for all believers.

    You present Isaiah as substitution, were I present it with the meaning of stead. Not the modern meanings that include "in stead" but ones that were part of my own upbringing. Were one of superior authority took that, of which the one who could not, upon themself. Not instead, but as the stead.

    Certainly he was wounded "for" stead, on behalf of, for the benefit of... Not instead.
    and so forth.

    Caiaphas' statement is "on behalf of" and not "instead." I realize that modern English does not recognize the nuance of instead and stead, but it is significant when relating the truth of the crucifixion to show more perfectly that which was accomplished.

    Stead is typically a noun where instead is used as an adverb.

    Now that doesn't make a lot of sense to most folks in modern times, but ultimately it stead refers to a specific place, a specific person, a specific thing or idea.

    When one refers to Christ taking upon Him self the sins, that does not mean everyone is sinless. Rather, that the condemnation of the legal documents were (Colossians 2) dealt with by the crucifixion. He was the stead. Standing as the authority over the law and the only one who could bring justification to believers. He did not do such "instead" for there was no ability in which even believers could accomplish such a work. The best believers hoped for prior to the cross was "Abraham's bosom."

    It comes down to how one presents the work of Christ. If it is substitutionary, then it follows that there can be another sub - stitute, and such was the use of the animal sacrifices, and the RCC thinking of a purgatory.

    However, as you wisely pointed out, the work of Christ was satisfactory. As our stead, He has no need of substitution for He is both the just and the one who justifies. He is the one who redeems at the will of the Father. He is the one who rises and we rise with Him. He holds the keys of death and hell, and we believers face no condemnation not because of some substitutionary "instead" but because he is the stead who holds all authority.

    My dear friend, I will not contend with you any longer on this, but trust that Grace abound in you and yours.
     
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