The Temple in Ezekiel

Darrell C said:

I've watched about twenty minutes of it so far, and am enjoying it tremendously. I pray God will continue to use you in a mighty way, my friend.

Going back to the Two Witnesses, again I don't really think it will be Moses and Elijah, or Enoch and Elijah, because I do not view men as going to Heaven prior to Christ. Hence all who have gone before us, with the exception of Christ, have died physically. Some think it is Enoch and Elijah "because they didn't die." I think they did. If God did in fact translate Enoch then it would have been to Sheol/Hades, not Heaven. When Elijah was taken up I don't think he died at that time. A letter that post-dates his death would seem to support that (2 Chronicles 21:11-13). This is simply what I have arrived at from my studies and the perspective that has come from them. I believe men awaited Eternal Redemption in Sheol/Hades until Christ actually redeemed them (Hebrews 9:12-15).

So for the most part I view these two men to be contemporary to that day. I don't deny that God could in fact resurrect Enoch, Moses, or Elijah, but I don't see that it has to be the case. The Prophecy of Malachi 4 in regard to Elijah was fulfilled in Christ's day partially in John the Baptist, so I see it as reasonable that it may not have to be Elijah as the final fulfillment. Again, I am not dogmatic that it won't be, and admit it is a very reasonable position. We do see them in Malachi 4, God's last Prophecy in the chronology of Old Testament Revelation. We do see them at the mount of Transfiguration. We do see similar miracles.

I will listen to the rest of the video when I get the chance and would be very glad to hear more of your reasoning on that point. It's been a blessing to actually see someone make not only reasonable arguments concerning Prophecy, but to give a definitive answer to arguments presented by presterists and amillennialists.

Again, may God bless your ministry, George, and use you in a mighty way.


God bless.

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I agree that no human souls are in heaven right now, but are in sheol/hades, either in its 'paradise' area, or in its 'torments' area. The lake of fire is uninhabited now.

And I agree that Enoch was translated into paradise.

As for Elijah, he was merely taken to another part of Israel, as proven by 2 Chron. 21:12.

And we know Moses died. By the time the events of Luke 9 occurred, Elijah had been dead a long time. Both were called temporarily from paradise for a purpose. (Now, how the disciples knew who they were, as no pics existed of either, I don't know!)

The Jews are planning to build a new temple in Jerusalem soon. Thry've gathered all the building materials, made the instruments to be used in temple rites, consecrated an altar to be used for sacrifices in that temple, & are breeding the animals, such as red heifers, to be used in temple rites.

Some Hebrew University profs have determined that the timple site is NOT where the Dome of the Rock now sits, but is beside the Dome, so the Dome doesn'y hafta be destroyed before a new temple can be built. The Jews are waiting for when Islam can tolerate a Jewish temple being built beside their 2nd-holiest site. Maybe the coming beast/antichrist will broker a deal allowing this event to occur.

This temple is necessary for the abomination of desolation to occur in, and it may be the temple shown to Ezekiel. God may purify it after Jesus returns & ends "Judaism" when He takes over rule of the world.

robycop3 said:

I agree that no human souls are in heaven right now, but are in sheol/hades, either in its 'paradise' area, or in its 'torments' area. The lake of fire is uninhabited now.

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I actually believe that Christ liberated the Just from Sheol/Hades while His Body lay in the tomb. And that now we go to be with the Lord in Heaven when we die (2 Corinthians 5:1-8).

However, the term "paradise," though used at least once specifically to speak of Heaven (God's Realm), was also a term for the Just compartment of Sheol/Hades (in Jewish custom), or so I have read. Christ told the thief on his own cross that he would be with Christ in paradise that day. I believe the thief did end up in the Just side of Sheol/Hades that day.

I also take the position that Sheol/Hades is still divided, and that it is possible that there will be those who, not having heard the Gospel, will stand before God to be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment, and be given the chance to respond to the Gospel. That is not a popular notion, as it suggests more than one way to Heaven. But I base that on my own view that, if God can show mercy to all Old Testament Saints who did not hear the Revelation of the Gospel Mystery yet were "saved" due to temporal justification (and this because they were obedient to the revelation they received), why would He end that grace and mercy?

This is why I think the books (plural) are opened at that judgment.

I'd be curious to hear @George Antonios thoughts on the matter.

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And I agree that Enoch was translated into paradise.

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That's what I think happened. He went to the Just compartment of the place of the dead, Sheol.

I view that "he did not see death" to refer to his immediate translation, as opposed to seeing/experiencing death as all do (that we know of, lol, it may be God has done this with others, we simply have not been made aware of those cases in Scripture).

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As for Elijah, he was merely taken to another part of Israel, as proven by 2 Chron. 21:12.

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I agree. He was caught up to the heavens (sky), not Heaven.

robycop3 said:

And we know Moses died. By the time the events of Luke 9 occurred, Elijah had been dead a long time. Both were called temporarily from paradise for a purpose. (Now, how the disciples knew who they were, as no pics existed of either, I don't know!)

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Now @George Antonios presents a pretty good basis for his reasoning, as opposed to the view that the Two Witnesses are Enoch and Elijah because "they didn't die:"


Malachi 4:4-6 King James Version

4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.


He makes the point (in his video) that this is the last Prophecy given (before the Intertestamental Period), and both Moses and Elijah are mentioned. While Moses is not specifically said to be sent, I find it reasonable to see a potential literal fulfillment of this Prophecy concerning Elijah.

John the Baptist is said by Christ to fulfill the prophecy:


Matthew 11:11-15 King James Version

11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.


But one thing we keep in mind is that partial fulfillment happens, and doesn't necessarily rule out a literal fulfillment.

Elijah may very well come literally, I won't rule that out, and as one of the Two Witnesses makes sense.

I would highly recommend the video George presented. I thought it was very good. I am going to watch the other one once I get the chance.


God bless.