Here is the grand plan for our future, they told us so

He is the worst, most dangerous person ever. He is doing just what the billionairs want, to knock us down so low we cannot raise up. May God stop them!

 

He's not revealing a secret. He's telling us what's coming next as a braggart who is a co-conspirator in it.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." Teddy Roosevelt

If you watch the old Sylvester Stallone B movie, Demolition Man, you'll maybe notice it parallels what is described in the OP. Including politically correct speech.

I think this plan has been generations in the making.

Now I think Christians will have to consider the scriptures that tell us government and leaders are installed by God's will. And we're to obey those put in leadership over us because they're God's choice .
What then?

 

Yes and then what happened during the Revolutionary war? Do you consider that a scriptural breakdown?

 

I hope the majority of Christians are astute enough to quit taking that verse out of context - now, of all times. The verse does not mean that we are always to obey leadership that presumes to be over us.

Was Rahab the harlot obedient when the leadership of Jericho asked where the spies were? Were the Jewish midwives obedient to Pharaoh? What about the three friends of Daniel who refused to bow to the authorities?

Now if you say that these are exceptions that involve idolatry or morality then, yes, I agree. However these should be the very reasons for our civil disobedience today.

The wars (plural) we are involved in are immoral.
Abortion is immoral.
Our usurper-in-chief was immorally brought in.
The whole vaccination scheme is immoral.
Much more could be added.

Romans 13:1-2 had a reference to a situation Paul dealt with in those first century churches. The authorities were the leaders of the synagogues. To understand this verse - that comes seemingly out of the blue (if Paul truly was referring to civil leadership) - it helps to consider the larger context, 12:9-21 and 13:8-10. Notice the recurring terms "evil," "good," "wrath," and "vengeance". Paul clearly in chapter 13 is still speaking of the religious authorities of that time, those who sat in Moses seat. The authority they had (exousia) is the same as that of Acts 9:14:

"and here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name."

That word, used over 100 times, almost always refers to religious authorities. It is the same with Romans 13:1.

 

I would have hoped those reading my post would have first noted I asked a question about the verse.

And then ask themselves to consider Peters epistle, 1 Peter 2:13-16
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people.

 

You're responding to the wrong member there.

I've not stated nor implied anything relating to "scriptural breakdown".
Thanks.

 

Hello, BasketFinch.

First, I was not questioning your question, but I disagreed with what came before your question.

You had written:

"Now I think Christians will have to consider the scriptures that tell us government and leaders are installed by God's will. And we're to obey those put in leadership over us because they're God's choice .
What then?"

I believe the issue is that you seem to be conflating obeying with submission. Acts 5:28–29 shows that Peter and the Apostles disobeyed the command of God-ordained authority. “We must obey God rather than men" And then they submitted to the flogging by the authorities.

Your verse from 1 Peter shows this same distinction. The word "obey" is not in that passage. Well, not if it is a good translation.

 

As we know, the New Testament was originally written in Common (Koin) Greek.
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 13 - Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Peter 2 - Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament

For others reading this, my prior question remains.

I'm going to leave this back and forth with you alone .

Because you don't realize what you just stated using Acts 5:29 actually answers my prior question.

The argumentative spirit for arguments sake is unbecoming a Christian .

 

Disagreeing is being argumentative? You are in a debate forum. Sometimes disagreements happen. Brother, you may have a hard time on this board. But, whatever.

 

You may be right if others abrogate what people say in order to manufacture an argument.
Prayerfully, that is not the case.

 

You are the one who is arguing. I was just disagreeing.