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And you declared death before God did. Your declared death is imagined. God's declared death the instant Adam disobeyed, was the very first death. Adam physically died. He went from a permanent incorruptible physical body, to a temporal corruptible physical body. That is the first death in history. No plants died before Adam disobeyed God.

I said no new plants. Of course there were plants. They never died, ever, until Adam disobeyed God. That was Adam's punishment. Now plants would die. They would have to germinate in the ground, or there would be no new plants.

 

When the 144k are sealed, that means they were given a permanent incorruptible physical body. They were also protected that they would never die again physically.

The 2 witnesses would have permanent incorruptible physical bodies. Only when God allows Satan to kill them, will they die.

Those living in the Millennium will have permanent incorruptible physical bodies. Babies will be born with permanent incorruptible physical bodies. Yet disobedience will be dealt with by physical death and immediate removal from the Lamb's book of life. Sin will not enter the world like it did for Adam's disobedience. And no one will be allowed to physically live after disobedience. Without a sin nature, disobedience will be abnormal and considered a curse, per Isaiah 65.

Death in this instance does not necessitate an incorruptible body. Remember Satan could do anything to Job except kill him. Even those in Adam's dead corruptible flesh can be spared death, until the right moment of physical death.

John never claims those dead are cast into the LOF with body, soul, and spirit. Nor does he even call them souls. All they get is "the dead". So Revelation 20 gives us no hard information in that regards. Jesus hinted in Matthew 10:28

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

The Greeks thought one could enter the area under the earth with a body. That may be accepted by some. Also in Jesus' account of Abraham's bosom, it seemed they had bodies.

Yet a destroyed body or one in the act of destruction is not incorruptible. It would just be permanent. The glorification of the soul, is the putting on of the spirit. The spirit is an outer body like the robe of white in Revelation 6.

 

A total falsehood.

Genesis 2:17 is the first reference to death as declared by God to Adam. And that there was death.

 

Shows your irrationallity.

 

Not according to John the Baptist:

"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"

All early experiments with fire were unsuccessful. Thus the church resorted to water as being figurative of fire.

Except for the dark ages, when fire was once again implemented.

 

The first resurrection Revelation 20:4 is physical. They have a permanent incorruptible physical body. They are not glorified.

 

Then obviously plant life did not die prior to Adam's disobedience either.

There was no death mentioned, because death did not happen until after Adam died the instant he disobeyed God.

 

Shows your total disregard to God's Word. Read Genesis 2:1-6 before jumping to erroneous conclusions.

 

Say what is not true does not make it true. Death existed per God's word Genesis 2:17.

 

No. Genesis 2:17 shows you are wrong in your assertion. There is nothing in Genesis from Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 2:16 to prove there was no death. Not a thing.

 

Which saying it does not make it true. You cannot declare death any more than you say I cannot say there was no death. God's Word says nothing died, because no seed sprang up at any time prior to Adam's disobedience, that brought death and sin into the world.

It is God's Word that states Adam's death was literal death. When Adam died, that was the first death. Then Adam was physically banned from the Garden of Eden, because he was literally physically and spiritually dead. His physical life was no more incorruptible, but dead corruptible flesh.

Then Adam was cursed to till the ground, and then plants died, and had to be replanted from seed. Adam was not cursed to till the ground, and the ground was not cursed until after Adam disobeyed God. There was no death prior to Adam's disobedience. That is what Genesis 2:17 declares.

 

God affirmed the existence of death in Genesis 2:17.

 

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Until Adam eats, there is no death. Death is a condition once Adam eats, that is disobeyes God.

 

That is not true. The fact that by eating of that tree Adam would die death. And that warning was given to Adam before God made woman on the sixth day. (Genesis 2:26-27.)

 

Eve was not created on the 6th day. Eve was not created from dust. Eve was taken out of Adam.

The Garden of Eden was not planted on the 6th day. The Garden was planted after the Sabbath Day, which was a Millennium. God rested for a Lord's Day. 2 Peter 3:8.

There was no death, and Satan could not rebel until after the Sabbath Day of the Lord. Many generations of humans and animal life happened in that Millennium. There were no wild plants, nor any new plants for a literal 1,000 years. There will be another Sabbath Day of the Lord after the Second Coming of Jesus as Prince. Conditions will be restored once again to like that time on earth. No more sin, and death and decay because of sin. Satan will again be bound to not interfere in human life on earth.

So the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil were not even planted until after the first 1,000 years. Only then was Adam placed in the Garden, along with those two newly planted trees. The Garden of Eden was not planted on the 6th day. When God rested it had been less than 24 hours. Humans barely had time to meet each other. God rested so many generations could establish themselves on earth. Except plants. No new trees or plants for 1,000 years.

That is what these verses declare:

"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"

Generations are plural, and day is singular. Time elapsed more than an earthly 24 hours. The Day of the Lord was 1,000 years to those living on earth. God let creation do what creation was designed to do for 1,000 years.

Then God planted a Garden, and history changed from that point on. No one could have eaten from the tree, thus no one knew good nor evil. No one knew what death was because Adam's disobedience caused the first death ever. Paul taught that in 1 Corinthians 15:21-22

"For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."

Romans 5:12-14

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."

It was only Adam's disobedience that caused Adam to die. Then God cursed the ground, and now plants would die.

"and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;"

That is when seeds became wild plants growing up called weeds. That is when plants died and had to be planted again every season. Before that no human ever tilled the ground. Genesis 2:5. The verse does not mean there were no humans around. It means no humans tilled the earth until the ground was cursed because of Adam's punishment.