Featured No Bible Doctrine Called Sovereign Grace

Do it again.
You said:
"But scripture, rather than the clever stories of men, says quite clearly things happen by "chance.""

Prove that statement. I see nowhere in the past where you have ever proven your assertion in scripture.

Show us where God is a God of chance.

 

So you are so ignorant you cannot even do a word search. How could I prove anything to a stonewaller.
Exhaustive determinism is shown to be false doctrine time and again because scripture says things happen sometimes by chance.

 

When I read your comments you come across as promoting a god who is weak (not Sovereign and Supreme) and one who only saves those who merit his good pleasure.

Do you not realize that such a god is found in all the pagan religions of the world?

So, is God Sovereign? Yes, without a doubt.

Is God one who graciously chooses to save unworthy rebels? Yes, without a doubt.

Therefore you have Sovereign Grace. It is entirely biblical. To deny it is to deny the core of the gospel.

 

Bingo! The worship what they have created in their own imaginations. They just don't make it into wood or stone or metal.

 

I note that you either cannot or will not prove your own assertion. I quote you:
"But scripture, rather than the clever stories of men, says quite clearly things happen by "chance.""

What is the scripture that teaches " things happen by chance?

You have made the assertion. Surely you can show us your research in the Bible that shows events happening by chance.

I counter with the first words of Daniel 1.

*Daniel 1:1-2*
In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and besieged it. And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with some of the vessels of the house of God. And he brought them to the land of Shinar, to the house of his god, and placed the vessels in the treasury of his god.

Was it chance that Nebuchadnezzar defeated Judah and overthrew Jerusalem?

 

God has always reached out to man and called him to repentance. That is the grace of God that we see in creation, in the conviction of the Holy Spirit, the gospel message, etc. While God reaches out to all He does not grab anyone and force them to believe such as we see in the DoG.

God is sovereign but He is not a tyrant that controls all that man think and do which is how some calvinists portray Him.

Those guys are not wrong, God is sovereign in salvation as we can not save ourselves. God saves those that freely trust in Him but calvinists do not seem to understand this or perhaps it is that they know it but just do not want to accept it.

 

Ken you seem to have missed the obvious outcome of those verses if you hold to your deterministic view. Since God controls all that man does then you have just put all sin at His feet. He is the one lone cause of all the evil and pain in the world. But you agree with V. Cheung so must be comfortable with that idea.

But what you refuse to understand is that the bible says you are wrong.

 

What you don't understand, @Silverhair, is that you are wrong.

 

Ken that is not new information to anyone on here. Why would you think that the wicked would seek salvation, they like their live. But most people are not wicked and thus can actually respond to the conviction of the Holy Spirit or the gospel message.

 

Read the Bible:

Romans 3:9-18 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; as it is written,

There is none righteous, no, not one:
There is none that understandeth,
There is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable;
There is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Their throat is an open sepulchre;
With their tongues they have used deceit;
The poison of asps is under their lips:
Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Destruction and misery are in their ways:
And the way of peace have they not known:
There is no fear of God before their eyes.

 

Ken pulling verses together like you did does not support your view unless you dismiss the reason that Christ came in the first place.

 

It is should be clear to anyone who has read this thread that you are opposed to Biblical teaching. You spend your time caterwauling against clear Biblical teaching in post after post after post.

 

Were all under sin but for you to use these verses to support your view you have to dismiss the rest of scripture. I really have not seen anyone that has an open grave in their mouth are that has the poison of asps under their lips. Calvinists jump on these verses as if it is a death knell to any argument against your view. But no such luck as these verses do not prove your point but what they do show is that the Jews and Gentiles fall short of the glory of God.

 

I am not surprised that the metaphors are not comprehended by you.

 

Ken your response just shows that your argument fails and you know it. You attack me rather than respond to what I posted. Your deterministic philosophy negates the atonement of Christ and make the gospel message moot.

 

Does not. But I am not surprised that you do not comprehend it.

 

Oh I understand the metaphors but your calvinist view takes them to far. Read the context and see what Paul was trying to accomplish.