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Okay. So who did Jesus Christ specifically come to save, and was He successful ? How did He do it ?

 

I am not sure I understand your questions. There seems to be to many issues.

 

I'm a fundamental dispensationalist, non-Calvinist (I reject all 5 points as utterly unscriptural), non-Arminian (if you define that as losing your salvation) KJVO independent Baptist pastor.
I do not doubt for a minute that Reformed Baptists are saved, and I have no problem worshipping with them.
We are certainly brothers in Christ.
Now whether the feeling is mutual is a different matter

 

• Jesus is the uncreated Jehovah God in the flesh.
• Salvation from judgment is by faith alone (during the church age) in his gospel (vicarious death, burial, and physical resurrection) alone.

That's it for me as far as salvation. Anyone that sincerely believes the above two truths I consider my brother in Christ.
To what extent we would fellowship is a different matter.

 

How are people saved outside the church age?

thanks

 

Well, any points that can or are agreed upon need to be identified.
So, points of disagreement also need to be identified as well. And the reason for each disagreemt.
There are presuppositions.

 

davexr

Correct, we cannot repent and believe the Truth until after we are born again, and everyone Christ died for shall be born again, thats a benefit and effect of His death.

Absolutely and Saviour !

Its not being stupid, its being exact, just like its appropriate to be exact as to who Christ is, the one who died for our sins. Jesus was exact when He announced for whom He layed down His Life for Jn 10:11,15

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Im not concerned about the puritans,

We should seek to bring honor and glory to the saving death of Christ, whom He died for, and what His death accomplished

 

The meaning of "saved" differs from dispensation to dispensation.
Under the law, "saved" meant to be captive underground but not in the fire section (hell) of the grave for souls.
In the church age, "saved" means that the soul is taken up to heaven.
With that very basic qualification, I'll let the scriptures answer:

Under the law of Moses:

Gal_3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 18:22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
(and the context is definitely salvation of the soul, as can be readily shown)

John Baptist's parents kept the letter (not the spirit, Ro.7:6) of the law:

Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Under grace in the church age:

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

As exemplified by Cornelius and co:

Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

When the law returns in the tribulation:

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

That's a basic breakdown. A proper discussion of the subject would involve discussing the different nuances [ex: the difference between doing the letter of the law (which is possible, as John's parents showed) and keeping the spirit of the law (which is impossible, as Paul tells us] of what justification and salvation involve in sundry dispensations.

All the arguments about eternal security VS loss of salvation could be easily resolved if we all just believed the dispensational context. There are indeed verses on both sides of the issue, hence the endless debate.

 

Thanks

 

Matthew 4:4
Luke 4:4

I'm sorry Dave, but to me there is no "minimal list", and the Bible knows nothing of "essential" vs. "non-essential" doctrines;
There is only one faith, one set of truths...

Not a competing or disparate group of "faiths" in the body of Christ.

 

davexr650

Dave I will say this, anyone believing that Christ died for everyone is believing a false gospel, but there is hope for them if they are one of Gods elect, to be converted from that false teaching.

 

At our church, all are welcome to come, join in the singing and listen to the preaching.

Acts 16:31. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.'
Romans 10:13. 'For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.'
I see nothing here about particular of general redemption. Of course, other verses I see as teaching very clearly a Particular or Definite Redemption, but those who are classic Arminians are welcome in our church and even into membership, so long as they understand that a Calvinistic position will be preached from the pulpit. This would not, of course, apply to Pelagians and such-like, who deny the effects of the Fall, but nor would it apply to those who deny that the Gospel call is to be preached to all.
Paedobaptists are welcome, though not into membership, and of course we won't be baptizing their babies; but we will join with paedobaptist churches in local outreach. The denial of the future physical return of our Lord and t His substitutionary atonement of our sins we would regard as unacceptable and those who hold to such beliefs would be required not to propagate them publicly or privately..
Dispensationalism is a different matter.. I admire the dedication and zeal of such people and regard them as my Christian brothers and sisters, but much as I love @George Antonios in the Lord, I don't think he and I could last long together in the same congregation; certainly not in leadership together.

 

The simple facts are Christ secured salvation for His sheep in no way disallows a general redemption, rather is the reason there is the redemption.

Romans 8:34, ". . . Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. . . ."

 

You believe Christ died for the sins of people who will yet die in those sins in unbelief, so you dont believe the death of Christ effects salvation.

 

John 10:27-28, ". . . My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, . . ."