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Relative to the following verses

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by percho, Jan 3, 2023.

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  1. percho

    percho Well-Known Member
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    And having gone forward a little, he fell on his face, praying, and saying, 'My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as Thou.' Matt 26:39 YLT
    Again, a second time, having gone away, he prayed, saying, 'My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from me except I drink it, Thy will be done;'
    And having left them, having gone away again, he prayed a third time, saying the same word; Matt 26:42,44 YLT
    And he was withdrawn from them, as it were a stone's cast, and having fallen on the knees he was praying, saying, 'Father, if Thou be counselling to make this cup pass from me --; but, not my will, but Thine be done.' -- And there appeared to him a messenger from heaven strengthening him; and having been in agony, he was more earnestly praying, and his sweat became, as it were, great drops of blood falling upon the ground. Luke 22:41-44 YLT
    Heb 5:7,8 YLT who in the days of his flesh both prayers and supplications unto Him who was able to save him from (out of) death -- with strong crying and tears -- having offered up, and having been heard in respect to that which he feared, through (and even) being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience,
    and having cried with a loud voice, Jesus said, 'Father, to Thy hands I commit my spirit;' and these things having said, he breathed forth the spirit. Luke 23:46

    The obedience? What obedience? What obedience did Son, through the things he suffered unto death, learn?

    Is the Father absolutely necessary for the Son to be saved out of death? Was it the Spirit, committed to the hands of the Father, that gave life to the Son?

    Was faith involved in the death of the Son? Phil 2:8 states, became or by becoming or having become obedient. Is that, the obedience, of Heb. 5:8? Would that not be, obedience of faith? The faith through which righteousness comes?

    Correct me if I am wrong but is not that, Righteous Faith? This is also relative to the thread I made about the verse from Habakkuk.

    The three verses in the NT are not quotes but prophecy fulfilled.
     
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    BTW IMHO Romans 3:25

    IMHO Through the faith of the Father in the Son being obedient unto death, (the blood Lev 17:11 for the soul of the flesh is in the blood) , the Father before placed the Son as the place of mercy.

    26 for the shewing forth of His righteousness in the present time, for His being righteous, and declaring him righteous who is of the faith of Jesus.
     
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    The idea of obedience is full submission to God's will, an "all in" commitment no matter the cost, such as suffering. Christ learned the obedience (the cost of obedience) from His suffering.

    No Righteous Faith is our faith if so credited by God to us. God credited Abraham's faith as righteousness. (Romans 4:5)

    Sure Christ's faithfulness was righteous, but ours is not, we all fall short. Thus it is a very different thing for God to credit our faith as righteous faith!
     
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    Heb 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
    Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
    Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
    Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

    The save him from death (v.7) part is in reference to the fact that God would not let the soul of his Son remain in the grave of souls in the nether parts of the earth after the 3 days. It is not a reference to salvation from the death of the cross.
    Just saying, hopefully to help.
     
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