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Sinners By Nature

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by tyndale1946, Jan 22, 2023.

  1. tyndale1946

    tyndale1946 Well-Known Member
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    Nature produces the sinner not sinning produces the nature... We are not sinner by what we do we are sinner by what we are, that causes what we do... There are some days in serving God we fall flat on our face and if you don't have any trials and tribulations in this life, are you even his son or daughter?... Do you think that claiming to belong to Christ is a bed of roses?... No its trial and conflict... By grace and merciful love you're a child of God but by nature you are still a sinner... I know a lot of brethren don't like to hear the word sinner but the Apostle Paul had no trouble with it neither do I... He named it and claimed it... Because he knew without it Christ didn't come for him.

    1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

    I hear some say I'm not a sinner I'm in the image of God... No your not you're in the image of Adam but instead of me trying to prove it... Argue with scripture... When Adam and Eve sinned the image of God was marred and corrupted, that is why we are sinners by nature... That is why we die.

    Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

    2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

    3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:


    Now lets skip Genesis and see what the Apostle Paul has to say about the subject many eons in the New Testament on our sin nature

    Romans 7: 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

    15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

    16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

    17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

    19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

    20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

    22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

    23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

    24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

    25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.


    I'll close with the stanzas of a song I led in church... Jesus Thou Art The Sinner's Friend

    1 Jesus, Thou art the sinner's friend,
    As such I look to Thee.
    Now in the fullness of Thy love,
    O Lord, remember me.

    2 Remember Thy pure word of grace,
    Remember Calvary,
    Remember all Thy dying groans,
    And then remember me.

    3 Thou wondrous advocate with God,
    I yield myself to Thee.
    While Thou art sitting on Thy throne,
    O Lord, remember me.

    4 I own I'm guilty, own I'm vile,
    Yet Thy salvation's free.
    Then, in Thy all abounding grace,
    O Lord, remember me.

    5 Howe'er forsaken or distressed,
    Howe'er oppressed I be,
    Howe'er afflicted here on earth,
    Oh Lord remember me.

    Brother Glen:)
     
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  2. kyredneck

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    That's one of the lines from scripture I caution myself with often, especially when I start feeling wise and/or judgmental. I ain't no better than anyone else.
     
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    While true we are all sinners saved or not. There is no man with out sin.
    MB
     
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    There are plenty of examples in the scriptures of God judging men. Choose one that shows God condemning a man because of his nature and condemning him to eternal hell. Sin is also defined in this manner, "to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. (James 4:17)

    Follow the logic here;

    Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
    19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
    20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
    21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

    I agree that a man born of Adam is a "natural" man from his birth, but that is not what condemns him. His deeds condemns him.

    In the above verses God is speaking of cognitive people with information on how to be saved. He is not speaking of people about a sin nature. To refuse God's salvation by not believing it assumes that the unbeliever is making a conscious choice, having the facts and information and the occasion and the ability to believe. His deeds affirm this, as well as his motivation for his deeds.

    The songwriter above is speaking of himself from his own point of view, which may be correct, but God does not see a saved, blood washed believer as a sinner. He sees him as perfect, a son, "in Christ." So, it all depends on whose viewpoint is being discussed.
     
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