Two questions.

And Jehovah God layeth a charge on the man, saying, 'Of every tree of the garden eating thou dost eat; and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.' Gen 2:16,17
And the serpent hath been subtile above every beast of the field which Jehovah God hath made, and he saith unto the woman, 'Is it true that God hath said, Ye do not eat of every tree of the garden?' Gen 3:1

Did the great dragon, the serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan need to be destroyed before the man brought sin and death into the world?
Before the foundation of the world was the destruction of the Devil and his works going to be accomplished through redemption from (out of) death?

God ordained the fall

God arranged for the volitional sin opportunity of Adam, but did not predestine nor compel his choice to sin. If God caused people to sin, then He would be the author of sin, and He is not.

Satan was not destroyed before Adam sinned, therefore God did not have any "need" to do it.

Before the founding of humanity, God's plan of redemption from the consequences of Adams sin was formulated, as God had chosen His 'Lamb of God." 1 Peter 1:19-20.

percho said:

Did the great dragon, the serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan need to be destroyed before the man brought sin and death into the world?

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Did not happen.

percho said:

Before the foundation of the world was the destruction of the Devil and his works going to be accomplished through redemption from (out of) death?

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Again, did not happen.

percho said:

Did the great dragon, the serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan need to be destroyed before the man brought sin and death into the world?

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IMO, Satan 'fell' in the garden also. Satan was there first and first in charge. THEN God inserted Adam into the arrangement, no doubt foreknowing that it would provoke Satan to jealousy......and history proceeds from there.
(Jealousy from the first/elder towards the second/younger is a consistent/recurring theme throughout the scriptures)

percho said:

Before the foundation of the world was the destruction of the Devil and his works going to be accomplished through redemption from (out of) death?

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8 he that doeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. To this end was the Son of God manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 Jn 3

Marooncat79 said:

God ordained the fall

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You base this assertion on what verse or verses of the bible?

kyredneck said:

IMO, Satan 'fell' in the garden also. Satan was there first and first in charge. THEN God inserted Adam into the arrangement, no doubt foreknowing that it would provoke Satan to jealousy......and history proceeds from there.
(Jealousy from the first/elder towards the second/younger is a consistent/recurring theme throughout the scriptures)



8 he that doeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. To this end was the Son of God manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 Jn 3

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Thanks for your reply. Your thoughts on the following.

What would you say was/is the greatest of the works of the devil?
Ref. Heb 2:14 Seeing, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, he himself also in like manner did take part of the same, that through death he might destroy him having the power of death -- that is, the devil --

Is the greatest, work, of the works of the devil, the death?

Heb 2:9 YLT and him who was made some little less than messengers we see -- Jesus -- because of the suffering of the death, with glory and honour having been crowned, that by the grace of God for every one he might taste of death.

Now that in bold is why Jesus was made that underlined.
Why was the first man Adam made, some little less than messengers? From Heb 2:5,6,7 YLT For not to messengers did He subject the coming world, concerning which we speak, and one in a certain place did testify fully, saying, 'What is man, that Thou art mindful of him, or a son of man, that Thou dost look after him? Thou didst make him some little less than messengers,

Was it also because of the suffering of the of death? Did the devil have the power of the death, before the man was created?

Remember, in the mind of the God, the Word to be made flesh, the Lamb was already slain.

Again. Why was Adam made some little less than messengers?

Will man always be so?
Ref Luke 20:34-36 YLT And Jesus answering said to them, 'The sons of this age do marry and are given in marriage, but those accounted worthy to obtain that age, and the rising again that is out of the dead, neither marry, nor are they given in marriage; for neither are they able to die any more -- for they are like messengers -- and they are sons of God, being sons of the rising again.

BTW I think, this age and that age is very, very interesting relative to the following verse and relative to my thoughts concerning this OP with thoughts about the devil.

Heb 1:2 YLT in these last days did speak to us in a Son, (? the Word made flesh John 1:14 ?) whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages;