Election of God's elect is conditional.

This passage shows the OP is wrong.

*Ephesians 1:3-14*
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

 

We have had this conversation multiple times before. There is no distinction between elect and chosen. They are one and the same thing.
But, you keep trying to separate them, which is just utter nonsense on your part.

 

Nope.
They take place at the same time.
The Bible does have a paradox of "already, not yet" but the choosing and election are before the foundation of the world.

We will not agree as you attempt to make a distinction that the Bible does not make. We have already gone down this road and I have no intention to beat this old horse anymore.

Suffice it to say that if election is conditional, then your salvation is not by grace, but is by works.

 

"he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven", in Matthew 7, is talking about a saved person that "bringeth forth good fruit", so "he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven" is what we see a person do that is already saved.

16 "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
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Same with; 1 John 5:9-13, ". . . If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

He that believeth (the saved hath) on the Son of God hath the witness in himself:

he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

And this is the record, that God hath given to us (the saved) eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath (the saved) the Son hath (the saved) life;

and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you (the saved) that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye (the saved) have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. . . ."

The one that "thinks" that when they "doeth" or "believeth", they can be saved, is trying to "do" works of the flesh and that is not the WAY of SALVATION (without Conviction of sin, Repentance, Regeneration, or God).

To "believe" can be done in the flesh without Conviction of sin, Repentance, Regeneration, or God and is not a Way of Salvation.

"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
James 2:19.

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"Suffice it to say that if election is conditional, then your salvation is not by grace, but is by works."

Ephesians 2:,1, 8; "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;"

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

notes from
Scofield Bible, no less:

"Election is,
(1) The sovereign act of God whereby certain are chosen from among mankind for Himself (John 15:19).
(2) The sovereign act of God whereby certain elect persons are chosen for distinctive service for Him (Luke 6:13; Acts 9:15: I Corinthians 1:27, 28).

"In both Testaments, the Hebrew and Greek words are rendered 'elect,' 'election,' 'choose,' 'chosen.' In all cases they mean, simply, 'chosen,' or, 'to choose'; and are used of both human and divine choices.

"In the latter uses election is:
(a) corporate, as of the nation of Israel, or the church (Isaiah 45:4; Ephesians 1:4); and
(b) individual (I Peter 1:2). Election is according to the foreknowledge of God (I Peter 1:2), and wholly of grace, apart from human merit (Romans 9:11; 11:5, 6). Election proceeds from divine volition (John 15.16).

"The divine order is foreknowledge, election, predestination. That foreknowledge determines the election or choice is clear from I Peter 1:2, and predestination is bringing to pass the election.

'Election looks back to foreknowledge; predestination looks forward to destiny.' But Scripture nowhere declares what it is in the divine foreknowledge which determines divine election and predestination. The foreknown are elected, and the elect are predestinated, and this election is certain to every believer by the mere fact that he believes (I Thessalonians 1:4, 5)."

Adding to this splendid explanation, we note the foreordination has the same effect as election, and is the same in meaning, but it concerns events as well as people. Predestination is explained in the notes above. Calling means the bringing to manifestation that (or those) which has (or have) been elected and predestinated.

Election is not "Hard-shellism." The belief commonly referred to as "Hard-shellism" says that God elects and saves without the gospel. Therefore, consistently, those who hold to this belief do not propagate missions or evangelism.

But election takes in the means (gospel) by which the elect are called (II Thessalonians 2:13-14). This passage includes the whole scope of God's purpose in election:
(1) chosen.
(2) Chosen from the beginning.
(3) Chosen to salvation.
(4) To be sanctified (separated or made fit for the Master's use) by means of the Spirit and belief in the Word of God (the gospel).
(5) It is to be realized by faith - "belief in the truth," through the enabling power of the Spirit.
(6) The elect are called "by our gospel." (See also Romans 10:8-21.)
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1. Is the sinner free, as far as God is concerned, to choose for himself? The answer is "yes."

2. If the sinner is finally lost, is it his own fault or God's? The answer is, it is his own fault.

3. Is the sinner a free moral agent? Yes, if by moral we mean decisions on issues among men. Man's relationship to man is moral, and he can, in a limited way at least, make decisions in that realm.

4. Is the sinner a free spiritual agent? That is, can he make decisions that concern his relationship to God (Who is Spirit)? Not in himself. His will is bound by a nature that is opposed to God, and he cannot will (in his limited spiritually dead flesh) to do God's will (Who is Spirit).

 

Once again the same arguments are posted, and the same passages are ignored.

Does Ephesians 1:4 say whether the election was corporate or individual? Nope. To make either claim without support for one view or the other from another part of God's word is not useful.

Did any individuals exist before creation other than the persons of the Trinity? Nope. Thus no individual was chosen.

But how about foreseen individuals with or without foreseen faith. Since nothing in scripture says God selected foreseen individuals with or without foreseen faith, the assertion is man-made and provides no actual support for either view.

Does any passage say we were not chosen before we existed as not chosen? Yes, 1 Peter 2:9-10. Therefore the claim Ephesians 1:4 refers to individuals is unbiblical. Full Stop

 

Van wrote:
"Does any passage say we were not chosen before we existed as not chosen? Yes, 1 Peter 2:9-10. Therefore the claim Ephesians 1:4 refers to individuals is unbiblical."

Here is Peter's statement on being priests (Levitical firstborn) under the High Priest, (Jesus, the First Born).
*1 Peter 2:4-10*
As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.” So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,” and “A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do. But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

This passage has nothing to do with Van's assertion. The context shows us something completely different. It certainly does not support corporate election or conditional election and it does not change God's individual choice of his children from before the foundation of the world as expressed in Ephesians 1.

 

"God's individual choice of his children
from before the foundation of the world as expressed in;"

Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to usward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

 

LOL, what gibberish. Did I say Jesus was not chosen before creation? Nope. Who are the ones being referred to a both not a people and a people chosen for His own possession? Born anew believers who have been "called ... into His marvelous light."
Thus 1 Peter 2:9-10 once again is shown to preclude Ephesians 1:4 from being an individual election.

 

He has chosen us in Him corporately before the foundation of the world. Please stop copy and pasting non-germane verbiage to bolster bogus assertions. If individuals had been chosen it would read " He has chosen foreseen individuals in Him before...." And that is precluded by 1 Peter 2:9-10.

When God chose His redeemer, before the foundation of the world, He corporately chose those His Redeemer would redeem. So simple a child could understand...

 

Jesus?

What I copied and pasted is called 19 verses of the Bible.

You call that "non-germane verbiage to bolster bogus assertions".

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

So, since "he hath chosen us" doesn't say, "foreseen individuals", you completely change everything in the passage and ADD AN ADDITION to make it mean "He corporately chose those His Redeemer would redeem."

No wonder you call these verses, "non-germane verbiage to bolster bogus assertions."

Stop adding your genuine, pure, in-stage "non-germane verbiage to bolster bogus assertions" to the Bible.

 

Now the claim is made people were not foreseen before they were created. I kid you not...