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Talk about death, what death did Christ die

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by percho, Feb 25, 2023.

  1. percho

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    and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.' Gen 2:17 YLT

    וּמֵעֵץ הַדַּעַת טוֹב וָרָע לֹא תֹאכַל מִמֶּנּוּ כִּי בְּיוֹם אֲכָלְךָ מִמֶּנּוּ מוֹת תָּמֽוּת

    מוֹת תָּמֽוּת

    That is what was told the living soul, Adam, in the garden.

    Here is what is written relative to that in Rom 5:12 YLT because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;

    the death Is that the death spoken of in Genesis 2:17 dying thou dost die?

    Did Christ have to suffer that same, the death, dying thou dost die because of our sins?

    Rom 6:9,10 YLT knowing that Christ, having been raised up out of the dead, doth no more die, death over him hath no more lordship; for in that he died, to the sin he died once, and in that he liveth, (By resurrection?) he liveth to God;

    Did. death have lordship over The Christ for three days or not?

    having foreseen, he did speak concerning the rising again (the resurrection) of the Christ, that his soul was not left to hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. Acts 2:31

    Is the Greek word for, "forsaken," in Matt 27:46 a form of the Greek for, "was not left," is Acts 2:31?

    Forsaken where for how long?

    Jesus saith to her, 'Be not touching me, for I have not yet ascended unto my Father; and be going on to my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and to your God.'
    so also the Christ did not glorify himself to become chief priest, but He who spake unto him: 'My Son thou art, I to-day have begotten thee;'
    who through him do believe in God, who did raise out of the dead, and glory to him did give, so that your faith and hope may be in God.


    Now apply this to 2 Cor 5:21
     
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    Yes. Christ died the death common to man because of sin (He shared in our infirmity). And this was necessary for our redemption. He who knew no sin became sin for us. And He is the Way. We, who are Chriatians, will die because of sin (the wages of sin is death) but dying yet shall we live (the gift of God is life in Christ Jesus).
     
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    Not. Christ had paid in full for our sins prior to His physical death, per John 19:28, YLT, ". . . Jesus knowing that all things now have been finished, . . ."
     
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    What kind of death did Christ suffer?

    The same physical death every human suffers at the end of their physical life. They stop breathing, their heart stops beating, their brain waves cease. As Dickens might say Christ was dead as a door nail.

    Was Christ's physical body dead for "three days" (i.e. from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning)? Yes

    Is a form of the Greek word (G1459) used in both Matthew 27:46 and Acts of the Apostles 2:31? Yes God allowed Christ to physically suffer and die, thus forsaken, but God did not allow Christ's spirit to be taken to Hades, thus not abandoned.

    Jesus had not yet physically ascended to Heaven, but He had been with one of the thieves in Heaven on the day He died. The bible does not say why Jesus said He should not be touched, and we should accept that as true.

    Jesus as the Lamb of God had suffered and died as the ransom for all, and His physical resurrection signaled God had accepted His sacrifice as the propitiation or means of salvation for all humanity. 1 John 2:2
     
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    'My God, my God, why didst Thou forsake me?'
    "It is finished,"
    What had been finished was," in our behalf He did make sin".
    'Father, to Thy hands I commit my spirit;'

    He was then dead.

    IMHO Sin was being condemned in the flesh Of the sinless Jesus who was made sin. He gave his lift, died, then after he had been resurrected and given glory, ie glorified, the Holy Spirit could be given for walking, to the Spirit,

    John 7:39 and this he said of the Spirit, which those believing in him were about to receive; for not yet was the Holy Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
    1 Peter 1:21 who through him do believe in God, who did raise out of the dead, and glory to him did give, so that your faith and hope may be in God.
    Rom 8:4 that the righteousness of the law may be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
     
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    And Jehovah God formeth ἄνθρωπον, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature. Gen 2:7 YLT
    Then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living [fn]person. (Or soul) NASB20



    What allowed ἄνθρωπον, to exercise the following, touch, sight, hearing, smell and taste.?

    What gives life to the, the man -- dust from the ground, named Adam?

    Christ died
    Christ was raised

    How was Christ raised out of the dead?

    Is 1 Peter 3:18 relative to the resurrection. When was Christ made alive in the Spirit. How was Rom 8:11 accomplished and when relative to Christ? Was Jesus made a little lower than the angels by the Word being made flesh?
     
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    Pointless to answer questions when their is not response to the answers, or even acknowledgement of the answers.

    Why present a Greek word using the Greek alphabet as if it appeared in a Hebrew text?

    Next we get What gives life, as if the poster does not know God gives life.

    Then how was Christ raised, as if the poster does not know by the power of God.

    What kind of death did Christ suffer?

    The same physical death every human suffers at the end of their physical life. They stop breathing, their heart stops beating, their brain waves cease. As Dickens might say Christ was dead as a door nail.

    Was Christ's physical body dead for "three days" (i.e. from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning)? Yes

    Is a form of the Greek word (G1459) used in both Matthew 27:46 and Acts of the Apostles 2:31? Yes God allowed Christ to physically suffer and die, thus forsaken, but God did not allow Christ's spirit to be taken to Hades, thus not abandoned.

    Jesus had not yet physically ascended to Heaven, but He had been with one of the thieves in Heaven on the day He died. The bible does not say why Jesus said He should not be touched, and we should accept that as true.

    Jesus as the Lamb of God had suffered and died as the ransom for all, and His physical resurrection signaled God had accepted His sacrifice as the propitiation or means of salvation for all humanity. 1 John 2:2
     
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    He was bearing our sins. Isaiah 53:10, ". . . Thou shalt make His soul an offering for sin, . . ."
    He was no longer being forsaken. That being after, John 19:28, ". . . Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, . . ."
     
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    The man made from the dust of the earth with spirit from God breathed into it became soul, living. God named that man, Adam, He was told Adam, if he sinned by eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - dying, he would die.
    God said else where, twice, the soul that sins it shall die. Dying it the soul will die. Romans 5:12 verifies this.

    for the wages of the sin is death ---- the soul that sins it shall die.

    Did the soul named Jesus die for our sins?
     
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