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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Mar 2, 2023.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    "Having loved his own, which were in the world, he loved them unto the end."— John 13:1.

    Sweet thought, my soul, for thee everlastingly to cherish; thy Jesus is the same, and his love the same, amidst all thy changings: yet he abideth faithful. His love, and not thy merit, was the first cause of thy salvation; and the same love, and not thy undeservings, is the final cause wherefore thou art not lost. But mark in this blessed scripture, how many sweet and lovely things are said. Jesus hath a people, and that people are in the world, and that people are his own. ...

    They are his own, his peculiar people, his treasure, his Segullah, his jewels. And how dearly doth he prize them! They were first given to him by his Father; that made them dear. They are the purchase of his blood; this made them dear also. He hath conquered them by his grace; this endears them to himself as his own. And though they are in this world, too much engaged in the affairs of the world, and too much in love with the world, yet Jesus's love is not abated: their persons are still dear to Jesus, though their sins he hates. The same love which prompted his infinite mind to stand up for their redemption; the same love is going forth unceasingly, and without change or lessening, to accomplish and render effectual that redemption. Precious Lord Jesus! Oh for grace to love thee, who hast so loved us! And while thou condescendest to call such poor sinful worms thine own, and to love them as thine own, and consider every thing done for them and done to them as to thyself; shall not a portion of such love be communicated to my poor heart, that I may love thee as my own and only Saviour, and learn to love thee to the end, as thou hast loved me and given thyself for me, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling savour?

    - excerpt from Robert Hawker's The Poor Man's Morning and Evening Portions, February 28, Evening
     
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    The idea that those who belong to Christ are still burdened with God's hate for their sins is of course nonsense.
     
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    Wrong. It's those who belong to Christ that hate their own sins:

    15     For that which I do I know not: for not what I would, that do I practise; but what I hate, that I do.
    24 Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?
    25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Ro 7
     
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    Why not address what I said? Are you unable to address reality? Why have misrepresented both what I said and Romans 7?
    Are the sins of those who belong to Christ forgiven, past, present and future? Yes!!!!!!!!!!!
    Are we to sin so grace may abound? Nope, We are to strive to become Christ-like.
     
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    Why not cease your silly rants. I addressed what you posted, perfectly, and misrepresented nothing.
     
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    LOL, this guy misrepresents even hie own posts.
     
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    Lol, folks, ' this guy' continues with his silly rants. He totally misrepresented the OP by stating:

    By no means is this the gist of the OP.

    But, folks, 'this guy' is driven by an obsessive all-consuming anti-Sovereign Grace agenda that results in him making these silly knee-jerk rants.
     
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    Consider how this mind-reader knows my "ulterior" motives? Projection anyone.

    Here is the OP quote: "... yet Jesus's love is not abated: their persons are still dear to Jesus, though their sins he hates."

    And here is the claimed "misrepresentation:" "The idea that those who belong to Christ are still burdened with God's hate for their sins is of course nonsense.

     
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    Lol, your anti-Soveriegn Grace campaign is well known. Nothing 'ulterior' about it.

    Where is any mention in the OP of 'Christ's own' being BURDENED by God's hatred of their sins?

    If there's a BURDEN, it's their own hatred of their own sin:

    15     For that which I do I know not: for not what I would, that do I practise; but what I hate, that I do.
    24 Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?
    25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Ro 7

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    22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
    23 but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members. Ro 7

    17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would. Gal 5

    If it weren't for the Spirit within there would be no 'delight' in His law, nor would there be any conflict or warring within, nor would there be any restraint to our flesh.
     
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    Now we have the meaning of being burdened with God's hate is addressed. Good Grief, have you no shame? There is no hatred for the sins of those who belong to Christ. Full stop. The OP said there was. Full Stop. The OP is nonsense. Full Stop.
     
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    And once again, the idea that the Law cannot be our escort to lead us to Christ is denied by these non-stop posters of unbiblical nonsense.
     
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    And once again, the idea that the Law cannot be our escort to lead us to Christ is denied by these non-stop posters of unbiblical nonsense.
     
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    And once again the founder of Vanology goes off the deep end making irrelevant accusations that misrepresent other's intent.
     
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    And once again, my position has been edited to nullify my point. This is all they have, misrepresentation and against the person fallacious argumentation.
     
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    And once again you've become wearisome.
     
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    Ever notice they have no position, but they are long on malice? This is all they have, misrepresentation and against the person fallacious argumentation.

    The idea that the Law cannot be our escort to lead us to Christ is denied by these non-stop posters of unbiblical nonsense.

    Repeat, the Law presented in scripture acts as our escort to lead us, (while lost) to Christ. This is the fundamental truth these folks deny, over and over and over, using fallacious argumentation.
     
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    Did you misstate this?
    Galatians 3:24, ". . . Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. . . ."
     
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    Once again, no statement is made concerning what the verse says, or how it was supposedly misstated!!!

    There is no difference between the law "bringing us to Christ and the law escorting us to Christ. Scripture is clear, the law escorts us to Christ. Full Stop.
     
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    Who is affirming "The idea that the Law cannot be our escort to lead us to Christ"?
     
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    There is no difference between the law "bringing us to Christ and the law escorting us to Christ. Scripture is clear, the law escorts us to Christ. Full Stop.

    Please address this clarification! Please address this clarification. Please stop changing the subject with Puslaneous pussyfooting.
     
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