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Live Upon the Unchangeable God

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Mar 12, 2023.

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    KenH Well-Known Member

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    "And hast feared continually every day because of the fury of the oppressor, as if he were ready to destroy; and where is the fury of the oppressor?"—Isaiah 51:13.

    Pause, my soul, over those sweet expostulating words of thy God. Wherefore should the fear of man bring a snare? How much needless anxiety should I spare myself, could I but live, amidst all my changeable days and changeable circumstances, upon my unchangeable God. Now, mark what thy God saith of thy unreasonable and ill-grounded fears—"Where is the fury of the oppressor?" Can he take from thee thy Jesus? No! Shouldest thou lose all thy earthly comforts, Jesus ever liveth, and Jesus is thine. Can he afflict thee, if God saith no? That is impossible. Neither men nor devils can oppress without his permission. And sure enough thou art, thy God and Saviour will never allow any thing to thy hurt; for all things must work for good. And canst thou lessen the oppressor's fury by anxious fears? Certainly not. Thou mayest, my soul, harrass thyself and waste thy spirits, but never lessen the fury of the enemy thereby. And wherefore, then, shouldest thou crowd the uncertain evils, and the may be's of tomorrow, in the circumstances of this day's warfare, when, by only waiting for the morrow, and casting all thy care upon Jesus, who careth for thee, his faithfulness is engaged to be thy shield and buckler? Peace then, my soul, thou shalt be carried through this oppression, as sure as thou hast been through every former; for Jesus is still Jesus, thy God, and will be thy guide even unto death.

    - Robert Hawker, The Poor Man's Morning and Evening Portions, March 10, Morning
     
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    The second person who is also the unchangeable God was also always changeable. Irregular church tradition knows nothing of this.
    John 1:1-3 and Ephesians 3:9 MT.
     
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    John 1:1-2 for starters.
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. . . ."

    The Word is both with the God and also was God. The Greek phrase "with the God" is used 20 times in the New Testament of someone other than God. The Word is both God and also someone other than God. This duality is how He could change [John 1:14] and also never had changed being God too. Irregular church tradition has never understood this. The Word having always been the Son is the reason God has always been a Trinity of distinct Persons who have always been the one and the same God.
     
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    I don't know what point you are trying to make. God is immutable - God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
     
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    When the ". . . the Word was made flesh, . . ." That was a change. Now ". . . Word was God." Being God did not change. How the Word "was with God" He did change.
     
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    I am not saying that I agree with your statement, but why do you think that it matters in the context of a devotional about God's unchanging care for His people?
     
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    It shouldn't. But the Word as the Son changed to be the man Jesus to make God's unchanging care possible.
     
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    God the Son did not the "change", He was "made" like unto His brethren, He "took" on human nature, while at the same time continuing to be fully God.

    Hebrews 14:18 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
     
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    You are being intellectually dishonest.
    True as God, He the Son did not change. But as the Son being the Word He did change. From not being flesh to being flesh is a change. Stop.
     
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    I find your argument to be rather vapid.
     
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