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*Revelation 13:7-8*
Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation, and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

Note that the people who were not written in the book of life are those who were not marked by God.

*Revelation 17:5-8*
And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth’s abominations.” And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her, I marveled greatly. But the angel said to me, “Why do you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her. The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.

Again, we see that those who have not been marked by God (were never written in the book of life) are the ones who are deluded by the great whore, Babylon.

The names of everyone who has the mark of God were written before the foundation of the world. God's election, choice, and predestination have been sure since before the foundation of the world.

 

LOL, Van, you are not a Greek scholar. You are a very poor amateur.
I quote from the ESV, which is a very good translation.
Second, both references you made are, in fact, dealing with those who are not in the book precisely because they are marked by Satan, not by God. Van, I am presently in a great personal study of Revelation so this is fresh, at the forefront, material for me. In Revelation 7 we see that every believer (144,000 is a symbolic number for the entire Church) is marked by God and sealed unto eternity. From that point on in the letter we are always protected. It is those, not marked by God, but instead, marked by Satan, that are the people who are not written in the Book of Life. The elect are secure from before the foundation of the world. This fact is found all over the Bible.

So, you are clearly and desperately looking for a loophole to somehow maintain your horribly flawed theology, which everyone at the BB knows as...Vanology.

I provided the context around both your prooftexts. You are demonstrably wrong.

 

Van, you have dug your own pothole where there was no pothole, and then you have tried to fill in that pothole with your own, horrible, theology, which the entire board calls...Vanology.
At some point, you need to look inward.

 

It's Revelation, not plural. Only one "The Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ". Not several.
It's no rejection. God planned Christ's death, burial, and resurrection from the foundation of the world.
It was not an afterthought. Therefore, it was inevitable that it happen. I think the smart boys call it "prophetic past tense", even though it's future.

 

In Adam, all die, for that all have sinned. If you're in Adam, you're lost. If you're in Christ you're saved.

It is patently obvious from reading the New Testament Christ's knowledge was veiled while on Earth as a man.

 

Well, first you actually received extensive training in koine greek, by people who have spent their lives studying the language. Then you spend years of research on your own, writing papers on the subject and being peer reviewed. Finally, you become the teacher of the next generation of Greek learners.

Does Van have his phD in Greek?

No. He is an amateur, but he goes around asserting that the translations of greek scholars are inferior to his own translations. So, yes, I find his comments regarding translations to be weak and if no value.

 

Many, if not all, young earth creationist believe by Adam's sin brought physician death into creation. Personally I believe physical death existed before the fall. So death besides physical death itself was a result.

So ". . . But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in . . . that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. . . ."
And the liar " . . . said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: . . ."

I believe Jesus said of this, ". . . He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, . . . "

 

No way. There was no death until mankind sinned.

 

There are many instances in the Book of the Revelation. The book is about "what it is, what it was, and what it shall be", and though "what it shall be" is written as prophecy (the future foretold), yet it is written in the past tense. I suppose a reason for this is that it is absolutely sure to happen, to the point that it is appropriate to state it as if it already has.

 

biblegateway.com is a quick and easy way to make Scripture quotes. Have it open in another tab (unless you're using your phone).

 

Like Isaiah 53. Like Romans 8:30.