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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Salty, Apr 3, 2023.

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  1. Only Pre-born babies go to Heaven

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  2. Any Baby less than a year old (and all Pre-born) will go to Heaven

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  3. Some babies 1 year old (& pre-born) will go to Heaven - some will not

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  4. Babies will not go to Heaven

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  1. Walter

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    Luke 18:15–16 tells us that “they were bringing even infants” to Jesus; and he himself related this to the kingdom of God: “Let the children come to me . . . for to such belongs the kingdom of God.”

    When you Baptists speak of “bringing someone to Jesus you mean leading him to Faith. But Jesus says “even infants” can be “brought” to him. Even you Baptists don’t claim your practice of “dedicating” babies does this. The fact is, the Bible gives us no way of bringing anyone to Jesus apart from repentance and baptism.

    Thus Peter declared, “Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children” (Acts 2:38–39)

    The apostolic Church baptized whole “households” (Acts 16:33; 1 Cor. 1:16), a term which would absolutely encompass children and infants as well as servants. While these texts do not specifically mention—nor exclude—infants, the very use of the term “households” (and understanding what constituted a household) indicates an understanding of the family as a unit. Even one believing parent in a household makes the children “holy” (1 Cor. 7:14).
     
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    So again, some, as its being told here, enter salvation by the innocence of their flesh, and not through the merits of the redeeming death of Christ.

    So no infant will be able to join the heavenly eternal praise described here will they Rev 5:9-10

    9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
     
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    Why should infants be brought to Jesus ? He came to save sinners ? John the Baptist preached repentance.
     
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    Actually "Dedicating babies" is an incorrect term.
    What really is happening is that the parents are dedicating their lives to raise their child in the Lord.

    and coming to Jesus is simply by repentance -- Baptism is simply the outward action - with no saving grace.
     
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    God will handle it. Just trust Him. He has NOTHING against babies nor mentally handicapped.
     
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    No doubt Christ loved and shed His Blood for some infants and mentally handicapped, however to hear you say it, they dont need Jesus Blood, they can be saved on the merits of their infancy and retardation.
     
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    2 Samuel 12:22 And he said, “While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who can tell whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’ 23 But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.”

    Remember, David was also a prophet.(Jesus Himself said so..) So Dave knew the child had gone to paradise, and what applied to him applies to all other babies who die very young.
     
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    You're the one who thew in "merit" into the mix to build a strawman.
     
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    You're the one who threw in "righteousness" into the mix to build a strawman.
     
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    Well some of us will get into eternal life and salvation through the merit of the Person and work of Jesus Christ.. Its called His meritorious work indicating all He did to obtain Salvation for His People. Evidently babies and the mental retarded dont need that, am I correct ? If not then they get in on their own merit, innocence.
     
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    Well Jesus set the standard, righteousness. Matt 5:20

    For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    Jesus was of God made righteousness to some 1 Cor 1:30

    30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

    31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

    Babies and the mental retarded dont need this righteousness through Christ, is that correct ? They have their own innocence, God excepts that for them.
     
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    On what basis do you believe David knew that ? Why do you think David thought that, because the baby was innocent ? Or did he believe that the baby was one of Gods elect that Christ would die for ?
     
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    Anyone (everyone) who is saved is saved by the Lord Jesus. John 14:6. People with minimum brain power, and babies who can't even understand English, much less exercise faith, are still saved by the Lord Jesus. There is no second way. I think you might have selective "hearing".

    I believe that was David's belief because he (better than most of us today) knew the power of God's lovingkindness and mercy, having experienced it himself, firsthand.
     
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    Why do babies need to be saved by Jesus Christ if they are innocent of sin?
     
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    Non sequitur.
     
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    That’s because celibacy is a discipline after Paul’s teaching example of being celibate in the service of the Lord, not a Dogma.

    I don’t see your point here Salty.
     
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    You could really blame Paul for pushing the idea of celibacy in the service of the Lord, so that people could serve the Lord undivided with family obligations.

    Not Protestants or Baptist’s favourite teaching of Saint Paul.

    “And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for the sake of My name will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life.”

    People are freed up of wife and children for the sake His Name and service to Him.
    Having a family is the least thing they give up, many will take vows of poverty, and obedience, even silence.

    They make a living sacrifice of their lives, very much in-line with the Gospel message.
     
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    Because in Adam all die, and it is only in Christ that they shall be made alive.
    It is Christ's death and resurrection which achieves Eternal life.
    It is only in Christ that anyone is resurrected. (Even the wicked, for the judgement and second death)
    Read I Cor. 15
     
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    Job asked:

    . “How then can man be justified with God; or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?” {Job 25:4} “

    Easy Job, some say babies are clean and innocent before God as they are born of a woman !

    The word clean here corresponds with the word justified before it, and its the hebrew word zāḵâ which means:

    to be clean, be pure, be clear

    1. (Qal)

      1. to be clean, be pure

      2. to be clear, be justified
    Again in the book of Job Job 15:14

    What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?

    Yet some people believe that babies enter into the world , born of a woman clean, pure, Justified before God based not on Christs righteousness imputed, but by the pureness of their flesh, their natural innocence. Those people know better than Job did.
     
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    In Adam all die because in Adam they sinned Rom 5:12

    12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    So did babies sin in Adam and contracted death ?
     
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