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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Apr 25, 2023.

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    Paradise indicates an enclosed place, such as a garden, or abode of God, with conditional entry.

    2 Corinthians 12:2 indicates Paul was "caught up" into the "third Heaven." Then in 2 Corinthians 12:4, scripture indicates Paul was "caught up" into Paradise. Thus, both refer in this context to the same place.

    In the common thinking of that day, the first "heaven" is our atmosphere, where clouds burst and birds fly. The second heaven is space, where the moon, the sun and the stars reside. And above the created "heavens" is the third heaven, the abode of God.

    In Luke 23:43 we see the first entry of a sinner into "Paradise" referring I believe to the abode of God in heaven.
    Thus on the day Christ died, the New Covenant in His blood was inaugurated, and the believing thief was made holy such that he could enter God's holy abode.

    We come to the garden alone, we gain entry not because our parents were of the "right" blood line, or because others prayed for our salvation. When God credits our faith in Christ as righteousness, He transfers us individually out of the domain of darkness into the Kingdom of His beloved Son. (Colossians 1:13)

    We come when the dew is still on the roses, early in our existence, avoiding the expanse of eternal punishment

    The message we heard, providing our entry into the Garden was disclosed by the Son of God.

    To be "in the Garden" is to be "in Christ" because He tells us we are His own.

    And the joy we share, as we tarry there, none other has ever know.

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    I'm not sure if you are using the song to illustrate a point, or explaining the song.

    If the song, then it is a picture Mary going to the garden in John 20.

    If you are using it as an illustration then it's a good one.

    I just am not sure which is the best response here....so you get both ;) .
     
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    There is the view of Luke 23:43 refers to the upper place in Hades, where Abraham was prior to Jesus post resurrection ascension. 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 being a post ascension event.
     
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    Lots of views based on speculation and not sound study need to be debunked.
     
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    To be "in the Garden" is to be "in Christ" because He tells us we are His own.
     
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    There are disagreements on what comprises what the sound study consists.

    There are concise Biblical facts and presuppositions.
     
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    Most folks pushing speculation claim they are presenting sound contextually supported interpretations.
     
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    A generalization.

    The Biblical use of the term "paradise," Luke 23:43, 2 Corinthians 12:4 and Revelation 2:7. And there are relevant Biblical facts regarding these three unique uses.
     
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    Yes, see post #1. Revelation 2:7 refers to the "paradise of God" which agrees with the sound study, and not vague generations concerning bible study.

    Bottom line, and not a generalization, paradise refers to the abode of God the third heaven as used in every case in the New Testament.
     
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    Those three references are three district references to it.

    The Biblical use of the term "paradise," Luke 23:43, 2 Corinthians 12:4 and Revelation 2:7. And there are relevant Biblical facts regarding these three unique uses.

    Luke 23:43 is before Christ's resurrection.

    2 Corinthians 12:4 is after Christ's ascension.

    And Revelation 2:7 refers to after the Judgement.
     
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    They all refer to the Paradise of God, the third heaven. Note, none refer to Abraham's bosom, or the Garden of Eden.
    The denial that Paradise access is through Christ is shocking. Christ is the same, yesterday, today and forever, i.e. before His resurrection, after His resurrection and after judgement. No need to muddy the waters, obfuscating an obvious truth.
     
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    Not until Christ's ascension. A Biblical teaching you do not understand.
     
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    As I said, you do not understand.
    Acts of the Apostles 2;31, ". . . He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in *hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. . . .". *nether world
     
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    So He was always an immortal Man, even before His incarnation to be born.
     
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    LOL, anyone can cast aspersions, but not the way of Christ.
    They all refer to the Paradise of God, the third heaven. Note, none refer to Abraham's bosom, or the Garden of Eden.
    The denial that Paradise access is through Christ is shocking. Christ is the same, yesterday, today and forever, i.e. before His resurrection, after His resurrection and after judgement. No need to muddy the waters, obfuscating an obvious truth.
     
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    None germane citation of obfuscation. No mention of Paradise. OTOH, "today you (the thief) will be with Me in paradise says God's abode is in view, and on where else.
     
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    Fact, not until His ascension. Which you seem to need to deny.
     
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    Endless change of subject posts.
    Folks, take it to the bank, Paradise refers to the third heaven, the abode of God, and not to the places arising from the conjecture of people.
     
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    Fact, you are not addressing reality, You do not even know when Christ made "His ascension." You cited no verse. OTOH, I cited Paradise being entered BEFORE more than 500 people say His ascend.
     
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    You actually think your view is the correct Biblical understanding. The fact, which you seem to need to deny, Paradise was moved to the third Heaven at His ascension per Ephesians 4:8, ". . . Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, . . ."
     
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